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		<title>Seeing the Light.co</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seeing the Light &#8211; Rob Van Petten Last Monday night I was invited to a very enlightening dinner in New York. It was a meeting of the creative board members...]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #333333;">Seeing the Light &#8211; Rob Van Petten</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #333333;">Last Monday night I was invited to a very enlightening dinner in New York. It was a meeting of the creative board members of Light.co. They have forged the convergence of existing technologies into a revolutionary new camera design.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #333333;">This is so simple and apparent it made me wonder “Why didn’t I think of this?&#8221; Probably for the simple reason that I am not as smart as Rajiv Laroia and Dave Grannan, the founders of Light Co. who have landed upon a brilliant concept. For about 80 years our cameras have been designed around an interchangeable lens system. We buy various lenses depending on their focal length and lens speed because we want different eyes for different situations. We have been bound to our &#8220;camera systems” because we invested in an arsenal of lenses. Then every year or so we update our camera bodies because improved sensors and features become available. Lenses retro-fit to the new DSLR bodies, so we lug all this gear around.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #333333;">But what if all those lens choices, with even better optics, were available inside one camera and were accessed by image software? This is a totally new direction in camera technology. The Light.co L16 has 16 lenses &#8211; essentially refined cell phone lenses &#8211; in an array configuration using 10 lens at a time, at focal lengths equivalent to 35, 70, and 150mm, that simultaneously shoot a single composite still image. The photographer can simply reset the focal point, focal length, and depth of field in post, using slider software down to F/1.2 in camera… or adjust the dynamic range… and render a 52mp file without cropping or loosing any digital resolution… with great low light capability… or then shoot a 4k video too… and then slide the camera back into your pocket… while grinning that the camera costs less than a single good DSLR lens?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #333333;"><a style="color: #333333;" href="https://www.robvanpetten.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Light.co2_.jpg"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-2298" title="Light.co2" src="https://www.robvanpetten.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Light.co2_.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="306" /></a></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #333333;">The camera is sleek and streamlined although high tech as hell. The L16 has a wifi download. It shoots 400 images on a single charge and has an optional battery grip that offers a capacity of 800 shots.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #333333;">The camera face shows the 16 lenses hidden behind a black glass face like the next generation smart phone. An internal software algorithm connects those dots in an altogether new and efficient way for the creative photographer using a 5 inch touch screen control panel. It’s an elegant device, easy to operate and an immensely fluid creative tool. It literally does give you the better quality and control of a DSLR with the convenience of a smart phone.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #333333;">We all have become accustomed to the smart phone style of shooting as our phones have provided improved image quality and convenience. Light offers super high quality image resolution for large printing and the pursuit of serious photography with the easy access shooting of a mobile device.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #333333;">So that’s what we were there to see. We played with the camera at dinner shooting some still life images during a quick demo. We watched a presentation about the company and the development of the camera. The fiber optic flow of electrons around the table could be felt among the group. This concept is brilliantly simple and it’s time was inevitable. This is the start of something important. Also the food was so fantastic, we should have shot the meal. Thanks.   See the Light <a style="color: #333333;" title="light.co" href="https://light.co/camera">https://light.co/camera</a></span></p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2015 15:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A curious thing happened while curating a photo show lately.  (Maybe that’s where the word came from.)  Gallery owner and photographer, Peter Miller, asked me to be the juror of...]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>A curious thing happened while curating a photo show lately.  (Maybe that’s where the word came from.)  Gallery owner and photographer, Peter Miller, asked me to be the juror of a show he was having at his Povidence, RI gallery a couple of months ago.  It was an open call posted on Cafe Call for Entries, to be judged and displayed in the gallery.   We received 418 submissions on relatively short notice.  I was very surprised at the high quality of images from mostly a fine art contingent of photographers nationally.  It was impressive.   (Here&#8217;s a link to Peter&#8217;s Gallery</div>
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<div>The assignment was to pick the 70 images that would end up on the walls of the gallery for the show.  The harder task was to pick from that group of 70 to find the first, second, and third place images.  Peter Miller was also selecting a back up list for the sake of comparison.  There were so many good images it was a difficult process.  I went throughout the entire group 8 times.</div>
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<div>We worked separately on line and without any comparison of our selections.  Of the 70 first choices for the show 65 were the same.  How co-incidental.  From there we decided to narrow it down to 10 contenders for the first second and third awards.  Our ten best were identical.  From there we chose the winner, the 2nd and 3rd place.  They also matched exactly.</div>
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<div>This was a very surprising phenomenon to me.  But from what I hear, it’s not so unusual.  Good stuff is read as good stuff by most interested viewers.  I’ve worked with Peter and known him for about 20 years.  But we don’t really talk about preferences of photographers, styles or qualities of fine art photograph.  I have to suppose that if you spend a lifetime looking at images and studying visual arts, we must have arrived at some of the same conclusions.</div>
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<div>When we review images as we shoot in the studio, it seems everyone blurts out a “Wow” at the same shots.  It’s a peculiar phenomenon that as diverse as we all can be, we all seem to react emotionally to the same visual signals in a photograph.</div>
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<div>Here are the 1, 2 3 images,</div>
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<div>1) Pierre Hauser &#8211; Delivery Truck Door #2.  Pierre’s submissions were consistently beautiful, visually thoughtful and deserves recognition for quality thorough out.</p>
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<div>This is first a well seen abstract ballet of pastel delights in subtle hues.  The components are well balanced while my eye dances around would-be birds and faces and finally follows a string of dots to a dark counterpoint of shadows providing a rich base of details in the shadow areas.  Though I went through the total of 418 submissions at least 8 times, this image stuck in my mind each trip.  The economy of components, the play of colors in space, and the choice of elements ultimately contrasts the dimension of airy elements playing above this murky rooted foundation.  Beyond the composition this image evokes a metaphysical scenario that suggests a balance of contrasting emotional moods.   Maybe decay and renewal.  And all in a single moment discovered on the back door of a delivery truck.  This photograph represents the power and the purpose of a photographic vision.  It&#8217;s well seen photographic magic.</div>
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<div><span style="color: #ffffff; font-family: Lato, sans-serif;"><strong>Cindy Wilson, &#8220;Easy Dime Toss” 2015</strong></span></div>
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<div>2)  Cindy Wilson &#8211; &#8220;Easy Dime Toss”  Is a whimsical wide-angle play of shadows and shapes that appear 3D and pop off the print. The bright round temptations pull us right into the fun of this fantasy land.  Broad blue sky and clouds from a low point of view are the perfect simple backdrop for this powerfully amusing composition.</div>
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<div>Submitting consistently  good entries  deserves recognition.  There were several photographers whose work shows quality thorough out a series of images.  Consistency proves a level of competence and control beyond having a few lucky shots.  Cindy Wilson’s got the shots.</div>
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<div>3) Joseph O’Leary &#8211; “Ryan”  from the series “Of Beards and Men”  A  photo illustration portrait in a very current style.  The concept is witty and ironic &#8211; and is supported by an impeccable studio lighting technique and a de-saturated post production quality that gives the shot immediate strength and impact.  The composition remains simple and straight forward while the directing of the subject totally supports the amusing mood of the moment.</div>
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<div>This is a gallery show &#8211; so good print quality counts.</div>
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<div>Here&#8217;s a link to the whole show.<a title="New Perspectives Show" href="http://www.petermillerfineart.com/current_exhibit/past-exhibits/open-call-photography-show/"> http://www.petermillerfineart.com/current_exhibit/past-exhibits/open-call-photography-show/</a></div>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2015 21:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TOPIC # 1 This is the first topic I’ll be moderating at the completely unofficial Rob Van Petten Photog Blog.  This allows for more diversity, a wider range of equipment...]]></description>
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<div>This is the first topic I’ll be moderating at the completely unofficial Rob Van Petten Photog Blog.  This allows for more diversity, a wider range of equipment to include, interviews, and a broader range of topics.  It’s often said, If you want to really learn a subject you should teach it.  I have lots of things I want to learn here.  I also think my best results have come from having more of an instinct and less of a plan.</div>
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<div>The voice here might be a little more personal and reflect more on the condition of being a freelance pro in the modern age.  The voice might even become a little louder…   I will address the things that come to mind.  And I hope include some of the issues that are on your mind.  If you have a suggestion for me I’m always interested.</div>
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<div><a href="https://www.robvanpetten.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/RVP-5.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-2092" title="RVP-5" src="https://www.robvanpetten.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/RVP-5-500x332.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="332" srcset="https://www.robvanpetten.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/RVP-5-500x332.jpg 500w, https://www.robvanpetten.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/RVP-5-600x398.jpg 600w, https://www.robvanpetten.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/RVP-5-768x510.jpg 768w, https://www.robvanpetten.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/RVP-5.jpg 1000w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a></div>
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<div> The thought process that photographers engage when approaching this obsession to carry a camera and shoot pictures of everything always fascinates me. We all do it as differently as our own pictures.  I’ll continue to write out those points as they occur to me.</div>
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<div>Business topics will be added to the discussion.  I am on a campaign to take the free out of freelance. I thought it would be fun to talk about the strategies and back stories of things that come up in the office.  I want to take you through some of my jobs as a behind the scenes visitor.</div>
<div><a href="https://www.robvanpetten.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/RVP-9.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-2093" title="RVP-9" src="https://www.robvanpetten.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/RVP-9.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="300" /></a></div>
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<div>I’m interested in the new cameras that are breakthrough technologies.  I want to look beyond the tried and true DSLRs and talk about some new rangefinder cameras, and EVF (electronic viewfinder) cameras and unconventional designs that may be the seeds of developing future changes in sensors, optics and the way people are using cameras.  The influence of cell phone cameras on mainstream shooting from snap shots to commercial professional shooting is a subject.</div>
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<div>I started a topic about balancing what you shoot as a familiar style that guarantees your regular good shots, with the need to break out, discover and experiment in places that are not so safe.  That includes, testing new techniques, using different gear,  and expanding your repertoire of compositions.</div>
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<div>There are some terrific new lenses available, especially super long lenses.  These are costly and rare. So I want to explore what they add to the your arsenal and how they help your vision.</div>
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<div>I want to start with a quick story about curating a photo show at the Peter Miller gallery recently.  Of course I always welcome your reply.</div>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2015 20:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After 6 years of moderating, posting topics, answering questions, and enjoying the dialogue with so many of you, I will not be returning to the Nikon Digital Learning Center. It’s...]]></description>
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<div>It’s been a great privilege speaking to so many of you from around the world and getting to know you like friends.  I have truly enjoyed reading your comments and trying to foster a discussion that was both enlightening and amusing.  Anyone who is passionate about photography is always an automatic friend to me in any case.  If you would like to continue, please join me at my own weblog where I will continue the topics and discussions.  I’d like to extend a personal invitation to all 81,667 of you to continue the discussions on my own website.</div>
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<div>I’ll be posting topics about process and pictures, do critiques, discuss new versions of cameras, lens and software.  I’ll also be interviewing other photographers who bring something special to cover.  We plan to have behind the scenes videos of shoots and promote the advancement of better photography in any way we can.  Your suggestions are always welcome.</div>
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<div>Thanks to all my friends at Nikon who have made this a real pleasure for the last 6 years.   It’s been a fun opportunity to help people make better pictures, and belong to a community of serious engaged photographers who value learning and sharing.</div>
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<div>Thanks for sharing your pictures and what they mean.  I’ve always believed that the truths held in a photograph bring us closer to a place of greater global understanding and tolerance.  Thank you for being part of it.</div>
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<div>Rob<br />
Rob Van Petten<br />
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2015 13:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rob Van Petten 12:21pm, 10 April 2015 Printing &#8211; I thought we should revisit this idea. So many photographers have gotten away from printing at all. Many digital photographers only process,...]]></description>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/rvpimages/" data-rapid_p="57">Rob Van Petten</a> 12:21pm, 10 April 2015</div>
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<div>Printing &#8211; I thought we should revisit this idea. So many photographers have gotten away from printing at all. Many digital photographers only process, store and access their images on screen and on their phone. Many commercial photographers show their portfolio on iPads only. This is certainly a sign of our times.To me the measure of my images is how good they will look as a print. After shooting and selecting my good shots, I spend a considerable time in Raw file processing to maximize the overall file potential, then move it into Photoshop to do the selective adjustments that I always want. Usually that means retouching and add other effects or sharpen and soften selectively. When it’s done, the final test of it’s success is how it looks as a print. I make 8.5 x 11 inch glossy proofs because they are not forgiving. Every little mistake will show. After that, I make a 17 x 22 inch print to see how it holds up. If the shot is still a contender I print 24 x 30. Then it’s a portfolio shot.I visited a great new gallery last week in Providence, owned by a photographer, Peter Miller, who makes big composite images ( 27 images from a Nikon D810 merged into one composite). They are stunning whimsical landscape prints with great detail and painstakingly good color quality. This photographer had worked for years as a color printing and scanning expert. His prints showed his expertise. That gets me excited. Peter Miller among other current photographers proves that the fine art print is thriving.</p>
<p>I have had a few shows of my work, and afterwards the framed images kind of stack up against the wall around here, but none &#8211; the &#8211; less, they are the real images to me. I had a show at the (recently closed) Forbes Gallery in NYC about 5 years ago and had a chance to review some of the great images in the Forbes Collection in the back archives of the gallery on 5th Avenue. Many of those were museum quality masterpieces and were stacked up against the wall, laid out on the floor, in the process of organization and review. It was just me and Bonnie Kirschtein, the curator of the gallery. That was an unforgettable experience. To me that was seeing the real shots the way the artists from Ansel Adams to Irving Penn and Andre Kertesz and Henri Cartier-Bresson intended their images to look. I don’t assume to be in a national archive like that but that’s why printing is a standard of completion to me.</p>
<p>Am I wrong? Is there a new standard. Is it flickr and Facebook? Do prints just get stacked up against the wall?</p>
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<p>The hallway outside my office. Rack &#8217;em, Stack &#8217;em.</p>
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<p>This image printed especially well. Look so smart 24 x 30.</p>
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<p>This is one of the few images I printed small to live with at home.</p>
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<p>This was a live demonstration shoot during which I retouched the image and made a final print.</p>
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<div>I print 4&#215;6 at least 3 times each week!.</div>
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<div data-author-name="John Edward" data-author-url="/photos/35471014@N00/"><a title="John Edward" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/35471014@N00/" data-rapid_p="72">John Edward</a> 4 months ago</div>
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<div>generally i print for money (to sell of for a client) otherwise no need the audience is bigger online or published in print.</div>
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<div data-author-name="Zeroneg1" data-author-url="/photos/49802655@N00/"><a title="Zeroneg1" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/49802655@N00/" data-rapid_p="78">Zeroneg1</a> Posted 4 months ago. Edited by Zeroneg1 (member) 4 months ago</div>
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<div>Well there is one thing we are forgetting though that there was only two ways to properly view film, as a print or projected (slide projector) whereas with digital you have other options now. I am happy with the multiple ways of showing and exhibiting my images.I do miss seeing my prints come up from the developing tank under OC light and nothing would compare to that experience ever. I actually took pictures of my now derelict darkroom:<a title="Death of a Darkroom: Clothespin by Zeroneg1, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/zeroneg1/6186939180" data-rapid_p="80"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm7.staticflickr.com%2F6156%2F6186939180_94eb66f400_m.jpg&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=fkoXDPQ98TZ47U_JtogGCg--~C" alt="Death of a Darkroom: Clothespin" width="159" height="240" /></a><a title="Death of a Darkroom: Enlarging Easel by Zeroneg1, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/zeroneg1/6186937164" data-rapid_p="81"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm7.staticflickr.com%2F6167%2F6186937164_93d00353bf_m.jpg&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=wXZOH2IQ3pERVsvjwOVPgQ--~C" alt="Death of a Darkroom: Enlarging Easel" width="159" height="240" /></a><a title="Death of a Darkroom: Timer by Zeroneg1, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/zeroneg1/6186414467" data-rapid_p="82"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm7.staticflickr.com%2F6180%2F6186414467_6e3583746d_m.jpg&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=zWB0sqt02CIRv1qrr57EPg--~C" alt="Death of a Darkroom: Timer" width="159" height="240" /></a><a title="Death of a Darkroom: Enlarger Grain Focuser by Zeroneg1, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/zeroneg1/6186415901" data-rapid_p="83"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm7.staticflickr.com%2F6164%2F6186415901_2bef22f97c_m.jpg&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=PubSInZ9d4bBo2qd_iWrEA--~C" alt="Death of a Darkroom: Enlarger Grain Focuser" width="159" height="240" /></a><a title="Death of a Darkroom: Enlarger by Zeroneg1, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/zeroneg1/6186413863" data-rapid_p="84"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm7.staticflickr.com%2F6166%2F6186413863_743ebba21d_m.jpg&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=eGomzOOADknoxkVR5w7Wpg--~C" alt="Death of a Darkroom: Enlarger" width="159" height="240" /></a><a title="Death of a Darkroom: Bulk Loader by Zeroneg1, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/zeroneg1/6186416501" data-rapid_p="85"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm7.staticflickr.com%2F6168%2F6186416501_06ef49d1d6_m.jpg&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=N1oXGKkS85WZq.dfJpKTOQ--~C" alt="Death of a Darkroom: Bulk Loader" width="159" height="240" /></a></p>
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<div>IMHO,<br />
Handing out multiple 4&#215;6 albums to your house party guests to view beats all 20 of them huddling around a monitor while you put up a slideshow. <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f642.png" alt="🙂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></div>
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<div data-author-name="Mr.  Speedlight" data-author-url="/photos/87352706@N00/"><a title="Mr.  Speedlight" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/87352706@N00/" data-rapid_p="96">Mr. Speedlight</a> Posted 4 months ago. Edited by Mr. Speedlight (member) 4 months ago</div>
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<div>I still have a 12 x 24&#8242; (3.6 x 7.3M) darkroom with two 4&#215;5&#8243; enlargers. I had to cut a provisional sewer line to rend rooms. I&#8217;d like to shoot B&amp;W film and do some printing. I enjoyed printing B&amp;W. I&#8217;ve done color printing but enjoyed it less. The cost was a factor. I printed photos for a high school year book that had to be pasted up at 100%. The first day was always dreadful with very few good prints. By the last day I was nailing print time after time on the first try. Then I did little or no color printing for a year.I&#8217;d like a method of printing a digital image with an enlarge so I could print to traditional silver paper. I&#8217;d use RC for proofs and traditional fiber based glossy dried matte. One would need a very high resolution 4&#215;5&#8243; LCD that would replace a diachronic color head and negative carrier.It would be nice to be so filthy rich that I could have large LCD panels mounted on the wall to display color images on. I&#8217;d like a digital projector. I&#8217;d like the focus shaft and gear part so I could repair my Kodak 850H and 860H slide projectors. The gear was molded over a stainless steel shaft. It would shrink, crack and spin freely so the projectors can no longer focus.</p>
<p>Dave Hartman<br />
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[I forgot to mention that I&#8217;d like a new Shelby authorized Cobra Daytona with a 351 and a 5 speed. Maybe a 6 speed if that&#8217;s useful at freeway speeds. If I can&#8217;t have that I&#8217;d like a fully restored 1969 Boss 302 Mustang.]
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<p>OK, the original question: I think printing is still valid in the digital age. Looking at photos on a smartphone is a sorry experience. As a replacement for a few photos in one&#8217;s wallet I guess it&#8217;s fine. It&#8217;s no replacement for a box of mounted prints or prints on the wall. The new super high resolution LCD monitors like the Apple Retina seem valid to me. The Samsung I&#8217;m using now is not a replacement for a print. It&#8217;s not high enough resolution for my taste. To put it another way I can see the pixels if I get close or ware glasses.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to get my Nikon F3 out and shoot a few rolls classic Tri-X a month if there is a film with similar characteristics available today. I have three 4&#215;5&#8243; Linhof(s) and more film SLR Nikon(s) than I care to admit. Digital prepress kill my favorite cut film, Super-XX.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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<div>They do sell digital enlargers but at the cost of a foreign luxury car (35K-40K and above). I also would like to print my digital images on graded and RC paper just too bad I was never able to do Ciba/ilfochrome personally but my university did and saw how it was done.I am however glad that we can do the kind of album options that we have today.</div>
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<div>I am very much an amateur so printing to sell or display in a gallery isn&#8217;t something I worry about to much. However there is something I find very rewarding about printing, framing and displaying my photos even if it is just in my home or office or occasionally for a friend at their request. I have printed and framed photos every where from 5X7 to 24X36 and a canvas larger than that. To see one of these displayed in someones home or to receive compliments from people who come in to my office and see my photos is good for the ego and makes me want to keep up the hobby and work to improve.It&#8217;s nice to post my work on Flickr or to have a couple of local news outlets ask to use my work but none of that compares to seeing my work printed, framed and displayed.</div>
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<div>I get my best work printed all the time. Prints will always be compatible with the next O/S and software. <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f642.png" alt="🙂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></div>
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<div data-author-name="Mr.  Speedlight" data-author-url="/photos/87352706@N00/"><a title="Mr.  Speedlight" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/87352706@N00/" data-rapid_p="120">Mr. Speedlight</a> 4 months ago</div>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/zeroneg1/" data-rapid_p="122"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.staticflickr.com%2F60%2Fbuddyicons%2F49802655%40N00.jpg%3F1318009433%2349802655%40N00&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=3A48vVDEDOWS0YTQateSGg--~C" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>Zeroneg1</strong>:<br />
Thanks for the information. Too bad about the cost.Dave</div>
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<div data-author-name="Zeroneg1" data-author-url="/photos/49802655@N00/"><a title="Zeroneg1" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/49802655@N00/" data-rapid_p="127">Zeroneg1</a> Posted 4 months ago. Edited by Zeroneg1 (member) 3 months ago</div>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_speedlight/" data-rapid_p="129"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.staticflickr.com%2F116%2Fbuddyicons%2F87352706%40N00.jpg%3F1224460979%2387352706%40N00&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=NOZzutckbemY9cx_vbsDFw--~C" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>Mr. Speedlight</strong>:<br />
<a href="http://www.de-vere.com/products.htm" rel="nofollow" data-rapid_p="130">www.de-vere.com/products.htm</a>Yup really too bad since it would be very nice to have!You can always try this:</p>
<p><a href="http://petapixel.com/2013/09/03/enfojer-analog-darkroom-printing-digital-smartphone-photos/" rel="nofollow" data-rapid_p="131">petapixel.com/2013/09/03/enfojer-analog-darkroom-printing&#8230;</a></p>
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<div data-author-name="Don Boys" data-author-url="/photos/40051766@N05/"><a title="Don Boys" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/40051766@N05/" data-rapid_p="136">Don Boys</a> PRO 3 months ago</div>
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<div>I&#8217;ve am printing a few of my best images on an Epson R1900 for fun and something to leave my family after I&#8217;m gone. I&#8217;m quite sure no one in my family will know how to retrieve my digital images. Learning more about printing up to 13 x 19 and seeing the final work gives a great feeling. I don&#8217;t have room to frame and hang them but don&#8217;t mind storing them in the Red River paper boxes. Will occasionally get them out for viewing. Also do a few prints for relatives. I find the print much more satisfying than the screen image. Detail stands out more.</div>
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<div data-author-name="JyBravo" data-author-url="/photos/44131030@N02/"><a title="JyBravo" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/44131030@N02/" data-rapid_p="142">JyBravo</a> 3 months ago</div>
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<div>I love digital, its flexibility and speed but it has a short shelf life. I have experienced digital rot in some of my NEF files and have lost them to corrupted files. Prints can last longer, as long as they are printed on good paper, with good ink, and stored correctly.I use digital mainly because living in China is hard to share prints with my family and friends across the globe, providing a link or email album links is much easier. I use different services for different purposes, I really need to get it all organized and done properly one of these days. MS OneDrive, Flickr, 500px, Nikon ImageSpace all hold different types, sizes, and quality of images. As size becomes less of an issue I may start a project of making larger images instead of limiting my online image sizes to 1600px long end to offer better quality viewing.I have used Adorama to print up a couple of books which came out really nice. Most of my film images are just in 3&#215;5 or 4&#215;6 prints, I wanted to get enlargements but it never happened. My largest issue with printing currently is ensuring the ink and paper are high quality enough to last. I would like to print more, but space is limited as my wife likes paintings and most of our walls have paintings on them now, just 2 smaller 29x39mm I had made some years back.</p>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/redtailpanther/" data-rapid_p="150"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7340%2Fbuddyicons%2F32299138%40N08.jpg%3F1379458125%2332299138%40N08&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=bO2lIU33kujN7jHl5WPeVg--~C" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>RedTail_Panther</strong>:<br />
I commend your regularity. 3 times a week is steady. Are we talking inches or feet?</div>
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<div data-author-name="Rob Van Petten" data-author-url="/photos/51002891@N02/"><a title="Rob Van Petten" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/51002891@N02/" data-rapid_p="157">Rob Van Petten</a> 3 months ago</div>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnedward/" data-rapid_p="159"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7502%2Fbuddyicons%2F35471014%40N00.jpg%3F1420443287%2335471014%40N00&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=e1cxxBKlj92oxiLNWT5eJg--~C" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>John Edward</strong>:<br />
I hear you.  Money is a great motivator.  I sell prints but I must admit I really just like to hold them in my hands and look at them too.  Don’t you like to put prints on your studio wall?</div>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/zeroneg1/" data-rapid_p="168"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.staticflickr.com%2F60%2Fbuddyicons%2F49802655%40N00.jpg%3F1318009433%2349802655%40N00&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=3A48vVDEDOWS0YTQateSGg--~C" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>Zeroneg1</strong>:<br />
Good point. There are still slide projectors. All the digitally transmitted opportunities get our images across the world instantly. But what about for yourself? What do you consider the finished form in it’s highest state? I see your darkroom and I know that you were committed to making quality prints. That magic of seeing an image come up in a tray which captivated many of us still grabs me to a degree when I see a beautiful print slowly roll off the 9880. It may not replace that midnight alchemy of the dark, but it still has a gratifying thrill.Some of the iconic elements of your darkroom make me a bit nostalgic. About 3 years ago I met a woman in a store who was talking about her daughter taking B&amp;W photography in school and looking for darkroom gear. I asked if she had a truck. That day I unloaded everything in my darkroom &#8211; enlargers, tanks, trays, timers, jugs, condensers, lenses, even a film dryer, water filters and tongs. Goodbye. All for free just to put that era behind me. Clean fingernails from then on. I’ve never looked back.</div>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_speedlight/" data-rapid_p="177"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.staticflickr.com%2F116%2Fbuddyicons%2F87352706%40N00.jpg%3F1224460979%2387352706%40N00&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=NOZzutckbemY9cx_vbsDFw--~C" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>Mr. Speedlight</strong>:<br />
We need to keep buying lottery tickets. Maybe we should organize a NDLC raffle. I’ve been talking about an NDLC road show for 3 years, while we are on the subject of fantasies. Wouldn’t it be fun to get a group together for a NDLC tour bus trip to teach, travel and shoot? If we can only get a few people interested we could go in your Cobra.</div>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/zeroneg1/" data-rapid_p="186"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.staticflickr.com%2F60%2Fbuddyicons%2F49802655%40N00.jpg%3F1318009433%2349802655%40N00&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=3A48vVDEDOWS0YTQateSGg--~C" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>Zeroneg1</strong>:<br />
Oh Thanks for reminding me. I wanted to ask about the option of printing photo books from any of the several sources that seem to make fine reproduction books. There are some terrific options at relatively affordable prices. Do you do these? I see many photographers printing their promotional portfolios this way. Some are really gorgeous. Exciting new possibility and the print quality is remarkably good from small files too. I&#8217;ve printed some from small jpegs.</div>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/40051766@N05/" data-rapid_p="195"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3731%2Fbuddyicons%2F40051766%40N05.jpg%3F1382391380%2340051766%40N05&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=53NuaI6zitcxYIsdxk0twA--~C" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>Don Boys</strong>:<br />
Power to the print.  I like what you say.  If you take this hobby seriously a good shot is very good for your ego.  For me it’s also a matter of hanging it on the wall so I get used to it.  So I get tired of it and push myself to move forward into something else.  There are always new pages to peel back and if I’m not confronted by my work in a challenging way I get complacent with what I’ve shot.  Facing a favorite shot everyday makes me realize what I want to do next.  Thanks for joining in the conversation.</div>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/johhnybravo/" data-rapid_p="204"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8537%2Fbuddyicons%2F44131030%40N02.jpg%3F1369116062%2344131030%40N02&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=5pYTGOp43TEGrhUjMLGHrQ--~C" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>JyBravo</strong>:<br />
What do you mean by short shelf life.  I’m sure we’ve all had corrupted files, and hard drives fail.  Not often &#8211; not as often as fogged film or prints lost to moisture or deterioration.  If you back up your files and continue to move archives forward to current media they should last indefinitely.  What about the cloud?  Do you have faith in off site digital storage where it’s someone else’s responsibility to update the memory and the server?  I do &#8211; maybe.  But I keep most of my images on a series of interchangeable RAID drives.  If one goes, I have another and would conceivably rotate out the bad one replacing the damaged one.<br />
I like the idea of books too.  They’re a bit more permanent and provide a sense of completeness to a body of work.The issue of permanence is an important one.</div>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/rvpimages/" data-rapid_p="213"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.staticflickr.com%2F4041%2Fbuddyicons%2F51002891%40N02.jpg%3F1276133926%2351002891%40N02&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=zYfVG4qE1XDKSXR49cehXw--~C" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>Rob Van Petten</strong>:<br />
If I could use an digital enlarger I would personally go back to making my own prints. I got into the habit of doing Zone System calibration and archival processing for my exposure and development work flow. It was just the inconvenience of film that made me stop doing it and the market have demanded less and less use for it.I actually do premium photo albums but mostly using actual photo print pages (Fuji paper) and not press printed (aka web offset). I personally have not done much of my own personal printing (using inkjet or dye sublimation) since I feel that they are not archival yet but I could be wrong. I know that metallic dyes are now being used as opposed to organic dyes for some printers but I feel that nothing is as stable as silver halide. I am not totally against it because I used to be a Pressman for a Print shop during my college days and see the benefits of a print but the photographer in me wants silver halide for B&amp;W and ilfochrome prints for color images LOL! So yes the highest form of image display for me would be a silver halide print. The Epson 9880 is no longer made though.Digital is not truly archival yet at least it doesn&#8217;t have the proven longevity and stability in storage compared to prints,negatives and slides (Kodachrome) since the actual digital storage medium/format keeps changing. Would we still use DVD/Blu-ray or any kind of optical storage in the future? We do not even use CD&#8217;s these days much less old floppy disks and such. There is that Sandisk SD archival (WORM card) but would the SD/USB port still exist in the future? We don&#8217;t even use Firewire anymore! How often do we backup our RAID server? I thank the cloud computing these days.</p>
<p>However in case of fire, do we actually think about unplugging the RAID storage and running out with it? What if your backup was on optical disks? I would however easily think about the negative/slide binders.</p>
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<div>I see the question more in terms of venue. We enter this world of Flickr and we share in the way of Flickr. In my home one posts a print on the side of refrigerator to share. Making both forms of the same developed image essential in their own, but separate, ways.</div>
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<p>Cloud storage, also known as data center hosting, sounds great and is for many applications, including data storage but&#8230; The largest players in cloud hosting (Amazon and Microsoft) are just getting their systems pushed out from B2B clients to consumers. The technology is still new, things are rapidly involving, this is what I do for my day job and am involved with on an enterprise level, and there are still a lot of question marks. Namely for me is again longevity. Look at where we were 20 years ago in terms of photography and digital photography. I remember talking to Navy Journalist mates in 1995 and looking at the Kodak DC40 files they were shooting, they were horrid, pixelated and small files by today&#8217;s standards but well suited for Navy needs. When taking a step back and seeing what was going on then compared to what we see and have easily accessible, affordable, etc. today where will it all be in another 20 years? Will Amazon and Microsoft be around in 20 years?</p>
<p>I would love to get prints of everything and keep the raw files or high quality TIFFs and JPGs on some medium for my kids to archive and have access to for printing or whatever is used when they are my age, maybe holograms? Physical prints are the best in my opinion but many printers use economics to dictate their printing supplies and I have seen professional photographers prints fade and dull after just 5 years sitting in a frame out of direct light! I utilize RAID mirrors, USB portable drives, and DVDs with copies of CNX2, VNX2, Gimp, etc. as VM for Windows XP or 7 will allow their use for years to come, at least CD and DVD ROM drives have been around for 15 years+. Its not unlike the dilemmas faced by photography pioneers who had metal plate or glass plate negatives and their transition to emulsion films and its various evolutions. The end result prints are probably the best because if all else fails, you can just use the camera and software of the time and capture an image of the print.</p>
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<div>When I first saw this post I was trying to use a new Nikon AW130 on a dive trip. With no aperture or shutter speed control I was well forced out usual shooting pattern. Experience is a two way street. It is the foundation to build on and the four walls of a box limiting ourselves.The Aw130 forced me to new shooting patterns and I found I could adapt. The iPhone/iPad and Lightroom mobile hasn&#8217;t forced a change but has opened a alternate to printing that I might find just as good or better if it were not for the foundation/box that 40 years of shooting has built.BTW, if the AW130 and its 100 foot depth rating tempts you, one word &#8220;don&#8217;t&#8221;.</p>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/zeroneg1/" data-rapid_p="239"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.staticflickr.com%2F60%2Fbuddyicons%2F49802655%40N00.jpg%3F1318009433%2349802655%40N00&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=3A48vVDEDOWS0YTQateSGg--~C" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>Zeroneg1</strong>:<br />
I hear your concerns.  Maybe you would enjoy and trust the inkjet printers a bit more it you used them with the same dedication as you did your darkroom.  I’ve made the move.  I have boxes of faded stained halide silver prints here and many that I lost ion 9/11 which were too physically fragile to bother reconstituting on digital media.  Nothing is forever except tomorrow and the opportunities that will lead us to better systems.  I have many images on CDs that still work.  DVDs too.  My RAID is 4T of ones  I may need to access.  That’s manageable.  And I have a back-up at home that’s easy to update in case the studio is under attack again.  My system is a bit sloppy, but that’s the way my mind works.I’m never nostalgic for the wet darkroom.  I like the idea that if my print is ruined, I can run off another one exactly like the first at the touch of a button.  All the hard work is done and stored in the file.  Maybe I’ve even learned a few new tricks.The Epson 9880 is replaced by the 9890 which is the same printer and ink system with an updated color management system that accommodates the X-rite color calibration to match profiles in various RIP formats &#8211; which I have not yet played with.  But that Ultra Chrome system has been the standard for almost ten years, which means for me that the evolution of a good working standard has found a plateau and has become more stable.  The archival duration is supposed to be 200 years or more.  We probably won’t be around to cash in the warrantee if they fade after the first 100, but for right now they look pretty good &#8211; better than I could make with a C print or a Dye transfer  &#8211; and they are repeatable 100% if I need one.  I’m not skeptical.  You have nothing to lose but the chains of chemistry.</p>
<p>I expect a certain amount of disappointment whenever I see a printed (web) version of my shot.  Magazines and books make a lot of compromises to accommodate a number of images on a printed page.  Sometimes I get lucky.  The books I’ve done for myself I’ve had better luck because there is one shot per page &#8211; and the printing of personal photo books has become a popular industry and the process has improved.  I would think that you, more than most, would enjoy printing your own stuff.</p>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/johhnybravo/" data-rapid_p="248"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8537%2Fbuddyicons%2F44131030%40N02.jpg%3F1369116062%2344131030%40N02&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=5pYTGOp43TEGrhUjMLGHrQ--~C" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>JyBravo</strong>:<br />
Photo processes have always been in a state of continuous upgrade.  For a long time &#8211;  60 or 70 years or so &#8211; sheet and roll film silver negatives were a nice stable standard.  But even that was evolving slowly.  That made us all feel very comfortable about the permanence of negatives, prints and transparencies.<br />
When the digital image capture was developed, we all saw the pixelated early images with skepticism, but knew that progress never goes in reverse.  The beginning of something new was steamrolling forward.At the infant stage of digital transformation devices and storage and all of it was evolving rapidly.  Manufacturers were competing for the format that would win out as the standard.  File size was a driving the technical changes and updates.  That rapid turnover of technology and gear, described as Moore’s Law &#8211; that everything would become twice as big and half as expensive &#8211; has slowed down.Cameras have leveled off at the 24.5 &#8211; 36 mg standard for high quality files for a few years.  Cameras got good enough.  After the D3x at 24mb there was no use in arguing &#8216; The pixel race has cooled off.  Larger 2 T &#8211; 4 T hard drives have also stabilized as storage standards for a while.  Among pros and regular private consumer users.  I’m surprised some times to visit photographers with 50 &#8211; 100 hard drives stored on the premises that contain every shot they’ve ever taken all coded and cataloged.  I don’t think all else will ever fail.  It hasn’t yet.  It just gets updated and so do the photographers.  I’m not skeptical but excited about what they will think of next.</p>
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It&#8217;s very interesting to read your reactions to shooting with the AW130. I had a very similar experience with the AW110 2 years ago. The auto functions are liberating to a degree and unnerving at the same time. It forces you to use the variable you can control, the moment, the frame, and the subject. It was even more strange to be throwing the camera into the water shooting above and below the water line without a housing. I was continually making the rational override. I was fortunately in the safety of the backyard pool. I did enjoy the slow-motion video and shooting inside the splashes.  <a href="https://www.robvanpetten.com/total-immersion-making-a-big-splash-by-rob-van-petten/" rel="nofollow" data-rapid_p="258">www.robvanpetten.com/total-immersion-making-a-big-splash-&#8230;</a></div>
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<div>I&#8217;ve wanted to ask since I first saw it, the lady biting the bullet: is the bullet silver or lead? I&#8217;m thinking I&#8217;d sleep better if I had a few silver bullets in .357.I like the photo!Dave</p>
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Bite the bullet. I was planning a live demo shoot while visiting a welder friend where I was picking up a length of chain and some metal odds and ends for props. I happen to notice there was a bucket of stainless spent 45 casings as a door stop. I asked for a handful as props. It was a shiny but already shot stainless 45 caliber, so I added the primer and the bullet in photoshop. It can be silver if that completes the fantasy. It&#8217;s a lot safer as a photoshop bullet.</div>
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<div>I think I think in prints. I loved my b&amp;w darkroom &amp; printing. Even experimented w/developing &amp; printing slides. And yes, digital/monitor viewing is handy and can be very beautiful. But I really love the big prints all over my living room. And at work ;))When I had to start using labs, I&#8217;d get my film developed &amp; 4x6s made. Then I could see how they looked, which might enlarge well for prints. I think you&#8217;re naturally more careful about making each shot count with film, not wanting to waste any.Then w/the digital darkroom I&#8217;d get 4x6s w/my film &amp; a CD! oooo that digital darkroom was a learning curve. Now w/my D700, &amp; digital editing, I still love prints.</p>
<p>In fact, the first day I rented a D700 to see how it was, before I could even rtfm, I found an interesting <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/terrymcdermott/3340984132/in/photostream/" data-rapid_p="282">dark bar</a>, and later that day a hot rod/custom <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/terrymcdermott/3341022978" data-rapid_p="283">car show</a> &#8211; and was blown away at the sooc prints. The chrome, the finishes, the range in the dark bar&#8230;.. So my first impression, of what later became my new digital camera, came from the prints. (of course they looked pretty nice on the monitor, too <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f609.png" alt="😉" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
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<div>It could be that those of us who started off making prints from film still think in terms of prints as the final finished medium.There may be a shift toward screen only images. I just like the tangible sensation of holding in my hands the vision that I previously catch with a camera.</div>
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<div>Agreed but looking at the printer slowly doing it line by line is not the same as seeing it develop on the tray and the revelation once it hits the fixer and hypo clearing solution.</div>
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<div>Yes, there&#8217;s a certain magical feeling as you see a print show up in the tray. And then if you have to redo it, dodge this a bit differently, subtly shift the timing, and wait as the scene magically appears. Even developing negatives was magical. Was the agitation, time/temp, everything just right, will the contrast be perfect, will I have maintained my desired exposure range, and especially will that experimental roll turn out &#8230;.My local Costco has a large epson ink-jet, right by the counter, so silly me, I love watching my print come out, line by line&#8230;.. not nearly as magical as the developer tray, but, still kinda fun to watch ;))</div>
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<p>I was thinking of a monitor that would replace a 4&#215;5&#8243; negative and be projected onto paper with conventional enlarging lenses like a 135/5.6 and 150/5.6 such as the EL-Nikkors I currently own. I&#8217;ve been dreaming about this for a decade anyway.</p>
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<p>For commercial photography I wouldn&#8217;t think many would be.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m one who loved the wet darkroom when printing for myself. When printing for others I liked the money. People designed darkrooms with a dry side and a wet side. I had a dry hand and a wet hand. I didn&#8217;t like the rush when a courier would arrive punctually at 6:45 AM.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t tried an inkjet for a number of years, maybe a decade. I had three Epsons of the same model. I don&#8217;t remember the model. It would print up to 13&#215;19&#8243; in sheets. The first two were replaced under warranty. The last was donated to a high school unopened. I paid for the over the counter replacement for the high school. As far as I know the third one was charmed.</p>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_speedlight/" data-rapid_p="324"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.staticflickr.com%2F116%2Fbuddyicons%2F87352706%40N00.jpg%3F1224460979%2387352706%40N00&amp;t=1437944906&amp;sig=NOZzutckbemY9cx_vbsDFw--~C" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>Mr. Speedlight</strong>:<br />
I was just thinking about the wet side and the dry side. Glad you mentioned that. You may see a huge change in quality, and print longevity over the ink jets of ten years ago. Now the whole darkroom is the dry side and on the light side.</div>
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Yes but the monitor needs to have the proper resolution since it would not look sharp if it only has a 1080P res so you will need it to be a 4K monitor and need to be bright enough to pull it off.</div>
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<div>Yes it would need to be an extremely high resoluiton monitor.Dave</div>
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<div>I&#8217;m stuck with a 500CM and 80/2.8 Planar as I had an idea to print large inkjet print form scans or old photographs. I would have restored the photos as needed and tailored the pints for copying so they could be printed on silver paper with little or no local adjustments and wirhout the need for special copy film.Dave</div>
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<div>In 1990 I had three Nikon LS1000 scanners. My plan was have a pro lab develope color negative film and I would scan and prepare the photos for web printing for my PR customers. It never happened. The LS1000 wasn&#8217;t able to produce publication quality in my opinion. I return all three. There were film transport problems, jagged scans and no digital ICE.Dave</div>
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I still have an LS-1000 and never had problems. It was just harder to use the software after several OS iterations. Of course it would have been nice with ICE. I did only use mine for scanning slide since I use the B&amp;W film in the darkroom. How I wish I have a Cibachrome processor.</div>
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<p>During one week in February and one week in September, you can feel the earth tremble. No, it&#8217;s not an earthquake. This movement is caused by camera shutters and strobes catching the fads and flops of Fashion Week. Along with the live action on the runways and the paparazzi in the streets, high-end conceptual fashion photographers take this time to show off their freshest images and to contract new work. Compared with the industry&#8217;s designers and models, photographers may have a more silent public voice, but it&#8217;s their mastery of light technique that creates iconic fashion imagery that clearly shows each brand&#8217;s advertising identity and each magazine&#8217;s layout story. We caught up with Alessandro Dal Buoni, Jake Hicks, Lara Jade, Rossella Vanon and Rob Van Petten, who share their techniques to make your fashion shoots stand out.</p>
<h4>Rob Van Petten</h4>
<p><a href="https://www.robvanpetten.com/" target="_blank">www.robvanpetten.com</a><br />
Rob Van Petten shoots fashion advertising images with a futuristic flair. In Japan, at age 10, he borrowed his father&#8217;s Nikon and never gave it back. He has been creating award-winning photographs for clients including Nikon, Gillette, Reebok, Ray-Ban and Procter &amp; Gamble. Rob has written a regular column for Nikon World Magazine, and moderates the Nikon Digital Learning Center Flickr site and My Nikon World on Facebook. He was the Photography Program Director at Boston University Center for Digital Imaging Arts, and is the host of Big Shot Workshops and an avid photo educator. Known for his distinctive lighting, he has a very close relationship with Dynalite flash equipment and Rosco Labs.</p>
<p><strong>What do you like most about fashion photography?</strong><br />
Originally, I wanted to lead the romantic vagabond life of a photojournalist. Then, I discovered the romantic life of a fashion photographer where no one was shooting back at me. But, really, it&#8217;s the wonderful world of acting out fantasies and pursuing beauty—rather than documenting reality.</p>
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<strong>3</strong> Dynalite RoadMax 400s and 800s<br />
<strong>4</strong> A beauty dish and three heads, with grid spots, colored gels, diffusers and barndoors<br />
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<p><strong>What&#8217;s your top fashion photography tip?</strong><br />
It&#8217;s a collaborative effort. Lots of colossal egos collide. Learn to skillfully guide the creative energy of everyone on the crew. That makes a happy, productive shoot and the strongest images. Also, the job is to create an illusion. First, you set the stage, then you light the set. Finally, you give the model some scenario to act out. It&#8217;s finding that believable moment that makes the shot work. If it&#8217;s too much about the clothes or the lighting, it will look stiff. Keeping the models in motion makes it more believable.</p>
<p><strong>What&#8217;s your favorite fashion lighting setup? </strong><br />
My lighting is always evolving to keep it fresh. It&#8217;s somewhat challenging to pull off and makes the job intriguing for me, as well. I don&#8217;t want to do the same thing over and over. The difference between doing it well and doing it great is in the subtle nuances. Keep refining. I use Dynalite flash gear. I use smaller-powered lights in local positions to light up the specific parts of the shot I want to address. I rarely use softboxes or big overall lights.</p>
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<div>Portraits are a window of insight into a personality. They should tell us something we don’t already know, or at best show us the person in a different or unexpected way. A portrait sitting gives us an opportunity to direct and guide a subject into revealing a gesture or expression that tells us something unique about that person.</p>
<p>Let’s shoot a portrait and post it here. Find someone you find photographically intriguing. Find something visually shot-worthy and make that quality or characteristic the point of the picture. This could be good practice for approaching people you want to shoot. Many have said they don’t feel comfortable approaching strangers for permission to photograph them. Find someone who you have wanted to shoot and overcome that apprehension.</p>
<p>Put the image in photographic terms. Use the composition and the light quality to accentuate what it is you are revealing about them. Use light and shadow, motion, economy of detail, selective focus&#8230;</p>
<p>I recently had the good fortune to meet a young model who was visiting my house with another photographer. I immediately thought she was a very strong model and asked if we could pop into the studio and just try something for fun. She poked through some of the clothes in the dressing room and came out wearing a shirt that revealed a tattoo of a knife on her chest. That little element told a lot about her, besides her cosmetic delicateness, arty gestures and expressions of her personal style.</p>
<p>Let’s shoot some new portraits. I’m planning to shoot some beauty tests with this model very soon and will post here. This is my opportunity too.</p>
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<div>ok I cheated, I shot this one yesterday</p>
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<p>Check out my 365 portrait album on flickr. I&#8217;ll be the first to admit, some photos need work, but it is a cool project to try and complete!</p></div>
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<div>This was my friend Dave. It pretty much explains in the blurb with the photo.</p>
<p>It was behind the scenes in Snowwhite rehearsals. Even as long time friends<br />
this was an awkward shot as there was a lot of emotion going on. Dave was struggling with his lines and i was brought in at very short notice as one of the cast had dropped out at last min.<br />
This was one of 3 shots but the other two i haven&#8217;t used as you can see the utter dispare in his face. I asked if i could use this photo for its rawness. We do amateur dramatics with no payment except the joy of the audiences faces but it is draining.</p>
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<div>I think the colour version adds a different layer</p>
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<p>And then they turn the spot lights on.</p>
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<div>Who really knows someone?</p>
<p>Does anyone really know themselves?</p>
<p>Can you really expose hidden elements of a subject&#8217;s personality, or are you merely presenting an image that your audience may colour with their own pre-conceptions and cultural assumptions?</p>
<p>Keeping that in mind, here&#8217;s a portrait of a total stranger of whom I know nothing other than she seemed to be doing some shopping on a Sunday.</p>
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<div>Son and Grandson. Hopefully the pride I&#8217;m taking in watching my sons comes thru. Truly a very neat joy and , frankly, one that caught me by surprise. Never understood this part of parenting.</p>
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<p>Adorable child.  The colors of the turquoise figures against the warmth of her skin are a great accent and activity.  I’m wondering if the shot would be stronger if the focus was on the eyes instead of the figures if we would connect with her a little faster and for longer.  I think so.  Kids can be great performers in a portrait shoot &#8211; usually for short duration &#8211; and often are uninhibited and camera savvy.  The right kid and the right toy can open a wonderland of fantasy photos.</p></div>
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These images of Dave are first amusing because he is getting such an exaggerated  make-up treatment and ironically does not appear to be enjoying it.  That’s funny.  I agree with the black and white strength.  He pops more.  And then the performance shot puts the before and after context to the story.</p>
<p>The make-up shot is more of a portrait because he is working with you and is cognizant of you shooting.  Documents of a performance are not really portraits because it’s not a collaborative effort with the camera.  Its a document of a performance and you are not the director.  A portrait is when the artist is in control to direct the subject, design and effect the lighting, and guide the process of the shoot to a point where something significant is captured that says something insightful about that person.</p></div>
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If you choose to engage someone and study them you will learn a great deal more than before you tried.</p>
<p>If you analyze your own behaviors you can apply what you learn to your understanding of everyone else.</p>
<p>If you study photography you will learn the distinction between a street grab shot and a portrait session where you have a dialogue with a subject.  More importantly the subject is a willing collaborator in a process of making a revealing statement in visual terms.</p></div>
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<p>Thanks for your reply Rob</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t sure what type of photo the stage shot was. i added it as an indication that the portrait wasn&#8217;t the norm with regards to the first shot.</p>
<p>Thinking about your other comments on other shots.<br />
I suppose although shot in a portrait, it technically isn&#8217;t a portrait. Although Dave new<br />
i had a camera. I don&#8217;t think he was expecting the photo. If so his expression may have been different and something i would have had control of.</p></div>
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Take for example what most would consider a good portrait: Avedon&#8217;s portrait of the Duke and Dutchess of Windsor.</p>
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<p>The story goes that he sensed a certain sadness about them, but when they sat, they were too formal. So, knowing that they were animal lovers, he told them that his dog had died (or something similar). He then caught their reaction.</p>
<p>Now, does the image (particularly without the story behind it) tell us anything about the couple? Has Avedon done anything else than to foist HIS interpretation of his subjects upon us?</p>
<p>I will agree that a good portrait will tell us a lot about the photographer, and it can probably give the questioning viewer some insights into themselves, but I don&#8217;t think it can say much about the subject.</p></div>
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.thanks Rob for the comment, I would have to agree with you about the point of focus part that you have suggested would make a stronger photo. When I saw the scene&#8230; she was happy with what she have made with the play dough. The story in my head was &#8220;the artist behind the creations&#8221; &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..:) That was the reason I choose to focus on the toy. I actually thought about take another one with focus on her eyes but she moved..</div>
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<div>Though these pictures were taken earlier, here is a picture of my daughter when she got Brown Bar Belt in Taekwondo (she is black belt 2nd Dan now)</p>
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<p>And a casual picture of my Mom, which I felt has brought out her personality.</p>
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<p>Though now I see a scope of improvement for both.</p></div>
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You’ve chosen one particular famous portrait where Avedon chose to show them in an unflattering moment.  Maybe he had more insight into them than we do.  Avedon was trying to evoke some emotion from a stiff and otherwise blank practiced response from the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.</p>
<p>The story told by Diane Arbus, is that Avedon had a preconceived agenda when he photographed the Duke and Duchess in 1957.  He told them that on the way to the session his taxi had run over a dog, a lie, to elicit a response.   There had been suspicion about their ungracious familiarity with Adolf Hitler and the Nazis, leading up to WWII.  They lived in an elegant Paris home provided by the French Government on a lavish income provided by the British Government and made pro-fascist remarks to the press and disparaging remarks about their host countries.  Avedon once remarked that the Windsors loved dogs more than they loved Jews.   There is much written about their opulent life style and peculiar indulgences.  So it is probable that Avedon had an agenda in this famous case and they were pretty accurately cast.<br />
(The Duke and Duchess of Windsor: We Are Not Amused, October 9,2009 by Lisa Waller Rogers)</p>
<p>The shot was a big news event and widely controversial at the time.  But not really a great example of what we are talking about here.</p>
<p>That is an unusual condition.  The overwhelming majority of portraits are made with the open cooperation of the subject with the intention of finding some flattering likeness or something insightful to reveal about the subject.  A mutual collaboration.</p></div>
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These two images are very different in style. The silhouette of your daughter is a very graphic treatment that shows her karate ability in an unusual way. I think most people think of a portrait has having more information than less, but in this case it becomes an iconic graphic that effectively says something strong.<br />
The shot of your mother is a very sympathetic expression shot in a more conventional “chiaroscuro” style with this dark background. (Chiaro = light, Scuro = shadow in Italian) The lighting supports the warm composed mood of her expression really well too.</div>
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<div>I love this type of stuff. It&#8217;s right in my wheelhouse.</p>
<p>This is a Supervisor/Longshoreman in the Port of Sacramento.<br />
He&#8217;s Creole, which I have never knowingly photographed someone that was.</p>
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<div>In that photo i`ve tried to capture the essence of my bride.<br />
She`s a funny girl that allways give a smile for a friendly person.</p>
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Some things that work here &#8211; the light quality is creating very zappy electric filled light quality that tells us you are making a stylistic statement.  Looks like a ring flash.  The guy is a very strong subject in his bright orange vest and his connection with the camera.  This up agaist the wall environment works really well too.  This is a  powerful portrait.</p>
<p>This encouraged me to look a bit at  your phtostream where I say a couple of others that I liked too because of the light quality that did magic things.</p>
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<p>To my eye, this one is a lot stronger because of the super dynamic light blasting through here. All these radial lines and the framing of the guy in the blast zone of this doorway make this a powerful winner.<br />
It is empowering the guy as well as illuminating the shot. This is strategically well seen and well executed.  (Personally I love this one.)</p></div>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/alexandredinelli/" data-rapid_p="370"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7069%2Fbuddyicons%2F34508276%40N03.jpg%3F1396066824%2334508276%40N03&amp;t=1427486769&amp;sig=P71ISTCSIou8nPg8qBk00Q--~B" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>alexandredinelli</strong>:<br />
This has all the qualities of a shot I refer to as quiet confidence. She likes the fact that you like what she is doing. There is a completed circuit of energy flowing here from you and the camera to her and then back to reinforce your point of view. This is the effective dialogue that happens when a subject and photographer get in sync. This is why there is a special dialogue between a photographer and a model when a shot works.</p>
<p>I think everything content wise works here pretty well to support the emotional moment. I might want to see the rail a bit softer ( less depth of field) because it competes with the focus on her, and could be a bit more stylistically romantic as softer shapes than the iron rail that it is. However, it’s providing a sense of place and a degree of environment that works with her lovely smile.</p>
<p>I took the liberty of trying a softer out of focus rail version. Maybe the rail could go even softer. What do you think?</p>
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<div>I may be cheating because I shot this photo last month, but I was going through the thought process discussed above of finding a stranger with a shot-worthy characteristic and photographing him in a way that shows it.<br />
I met this man on a street in India and learned from others around that he was a repeat winner of moustache growing contests. His moustache was tied up, so I asked him to pose in front of his shop where there were two photos of him with it spread out.<br />
On his initiative, he unfurled it and showed it off with a pride that I thought also revealed his showmanship.<br />
<a title="Moustache contest winner by Richard McGuire, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/richardmcguire/16639265760" data-rapid_p="382"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8561%2F16639265760_6fd7db286e.jpg&amp;t=1427486769&amp;sig=q7j63vNyEzAWhvGPyndDZQ--~B" alt="Moustache contest winner" width="500" height="333" /></a></div>
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<div>Richard &#8211; It may be cheating a little, but we can give you time-traveling-extra-credit for the thought process and for getting such a great shot. I think most people bent the rules here a little too. This ‘stache is just about at the limit of his arms length. For the next contest he may have to hire a couple of assistants. It’s a very captivating shot because the guy is so pleased to strike his pose. The placement of the sign and the color shot in the lower right gives us some context about his history of mustache growing, and makes the shot last longer.</p>
<p>This is a really nice shot. It&#8217;s a photographically appropriate subject and all your instincts about the wide angle and the close cropping support the concept very well. The only little item I find a bit distracting is the position of the hose behind him on the left. The hose is close in color and scale to his muostache and competes graphically just a little. Maybe a slight camera move to the left might have separated his head from the hose. Small point but, when you have it this good and a guy willing to pose, it’s worth shooting around the space to reduce distractions and investigate other angles.</p>
<p>You seem to be getting a lot of good use out of your D750, especially in India. This is only one of many very nice portraits you did there showing the amazing rich colors and textures of Indian culture. You have a great street journalistic style. Your use of color and light direction is consistently very appealing. You use a range of focal lengths very effectively too. It’s great to see how you engage your subjects in such a comfortable way. You explore a lot of the world through your camera. Good instincts. Practiced skills. Work on a book. Thanks for joining the discussion. Show us more.</p></div>
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I really think that you improve the quality of the picture. I agree with your position about the rail and even the model prefer that new look. I´m thankfull about the tips and the attention gave to my work.</div>
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<p>Thanks very much for your comments. The hose bothered me too. There probably is a better angle, but when I was there I couldn&#8217;t find it.</p>
<p>Yes, this trip was the best chance I&#8217;ve had to put the D750 through its paces, and I was very happy with it. When I first bought it, I was skeptical about the tilting screen, but I used it a lot &#8212; for candid shots, for low angles when I didn&#8217;t want to kneel or lie down in filth, for high over-their-heads shots in crowds, etc. The low-light performance and dynamic range were also excellent.</p>
<p>A book may be coming.</p></div>
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<div>Prior to engaging a stranger for a portrait, the issue of whether they would be willing to sign a model release form comes in to play. If gut feelings say that they will, then the creative process ensues. If not, then no matter how compelling, the search continues for another subject. What are the thoughts concerning this issue?</div>
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<div>There is a phenomenon that often occurs while shooting. We go out with a specific goal or expectation in mind. We try something new, or do something different.</p>
<p>Suddenly, there is a magic moment when a crazy combination of events occurs at one perfect instant and we capture a special happenstance. It’s something better than we had ever anticipated.</p>
<p>Throughout photo history these crazy things have happened and document some of the most notable events because they are caught by a ready and available photographer.</p>
<p>Years ago I was shown a box of 4&#215;5 negatives made by Murray Becker who happened to be taking a shot of the Hindenberg as it docked in Lakewood, NJ on May 6,1937. Suddenly an electrical charge in the air ignited a catastrophic hydrogen explosion. Becker’s images were transmitted globally and showed the grim reality of the historic tragedy which soon ended lighter-than-air transportation.</p>
<p>Becker had raised his camera when the air ship was docking, as he had done several times before. But this time &#8211; BABOOM &#8211; he shot 15 iconic historic images in 32 seconds. The point is he took the opportunity to shoot the shot again and it paid off.</p>
<p>That’s a huge historical version of the &#8220;better than expected&#8221; phenomenon. Everyday shooting can take on a degree of excellence beyond expectations on a regular basis too. On a smaller scale these unexpected events occur when we are toting our cameras and ready for something to catch our eye. Colors and shapes, light, birds take flight, sunsets project amazIng patterns on the sky, or just the shear success of balancing elements in a composition when it all comes together can create results beyond what we expect.</p>
<p>This notion of exceeding our expectations is the magic fuel for creativity. When I get a good one, I’m inspired. I know I’m good for a month of mundane catalog shots.</p>
<p>Give yourself the physical opportunity. You can think about it, read about it, talk about it, but in photography the process requires you put something in front of a camera and get it right. No excuses. If you don’t get it right, it shows. Photography connects expectations with results very quickly. That can be very gratifying or very frustrating.</p>
<p>The greatest inspiration comes from exceeding our own expectations. That&#8217;s the wow shot. It means you have grown. You have a new standard. You have made something more beautiful than you thought by your efforts. Tremendously satisfying. That to me is the biggest magic in photography. I look for that in myself. When it happens on a job, it is rewarding to my clients and our relationship as well, but ultimately it is for me. It&#8217;s the fuel that propels me creatively. It&#8217;s addictive.</p>
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<p>Walking through the barn early in the morning with my D800, I discovered my daughter having a heart to heart chat with Knight &#8211; pointed and shot. Aperature priority F/4 and the shutter chose 1/60th which should not have been this sharp. It amazed me, and this is one of my favorite images ever.</p>
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<p>For a cosmetics shot, I knew I wanted the big light bokeh dots in the background which meant shooting wide open. It was getting late. I was getting a tripod out of trunk when a street fight broke out behind us. I simply rested the camera on the roof of the car for stability and squeezed off about 10 frames. Better than I ever expected… and we were outa there.</p>
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<p>Shoe advertising. I kept them jumping and doing stunts and it looked the same. I changed to the 16mm fish-eye and all of a sudden the shot was as crazy as they were.</p>
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<p>Maybe my favorite. As she rocked back and forth, the sword got stuck and , and we got off balance creating this angle, hair swing and sidelong glance… It could not have been a better mistake.</p></div>
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<div>Here is one of my favorite bird shots that exceeded expectations.</p>
<p><a title="You're Way Too Clingy!!! by BioArt, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/bioartphotography/2089212632/" data-rapid_p="74"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2330%2F2089212632_9e616530c3.jpg&amp;t=1427489483&amp;sig=b_Q8Eh9dCLqAzI02CvcAwQ--~B" alt="You're Way Too Clingy!!!" width="500" height="477" /></a></div>
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<div>Well, this wasn&#8217;t shot by me. I was playing with my son (then 2 years old) and my daughter (then 9 years old) had my camera in hand. She shot this picture and it is one of my favorite pictures yet. I just love the expression on my son&#8217;s face. I later edited a bit only to suit the composition:<br />
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<p>I went off with a friend early in the morning to shoot birds. We were unlucky and couldn&#8217;t find any bird to shoot. However while returning my friend was driving the car and I was sitting next to him, windows open and with camera in my hand when I saw this bird. It was there only for a sec but got it in that sec. This shot made the entire trip worthwhile.<br />
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<p>While below shot could be common shot but I did not plan it. Was shooting some other bird I saw this bird passing my frame through my viewfinder when I shot it.<br />
<a title="Running on water by Rajnish Jaiswal, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/rajnishjaiswal/5637227636" data-rapid_p="87"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5263%2F5637227636_70586cd7a4.jpg&amp;t=1427489483&amp;sig=YOzbE9upt3mob0MhMTmPaQ--~B" alt="Running on water" width="500" height="280" /></a></div>
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<div>Early one gray, ugly morning I was eating breakfast in a little B&amp;B in Seward, Alaska. My wife and I were heading out on a boat tour that day. I was sad about how bad the light was, but was hopeful of taking a grandiose shot of a whale breeching. That&#8217;s the shot I wanted that day.</p>
<p>As I sat at my little table, I watched a bald eagle perch on this old, weather-worn pole outside the window of the dining area. Suddenly, a raven showed up and started making pass after pass at the eagle&#8211;dive bombing him. My jaw hit the floor. My eye knew it could produce a moment I&#8217;d want to hang on to. Heck, it was one of the first times I&#8217;d ever seen a bald eagle in the wild and I wasn&#8217;t expecting anything so dramatic. I dashed upstairs to get my camera and lens, but when I came back down the raven was gone and the drama had ended. I sat there waiting and wishing and waiting. Nothing. I was down to my last spoonfuls of oats when the raven reappeared and renewed the acrobatic tension. I bolted outside. Thanks to the speedy 7 fps of the D300s I was carrying (I&#8217;ve wondered if my current body would have secured this shot at 4 fps), I got one of my favorite shots of the whole trip. The sky sucked and came out flat white, but the moment was just what I never knew I&#8217;d always wanted. It&#8217;s now on the wall in my office.</p>
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Wow. That is one of those amazing unexpected moments. This is the stuff I love about photography. The camera can stop this kind of action when the eye cannot. This is the magic stuff that cameras can do. I love the wings in motion while the rest of the feathers and birds face and claws are tack sharp. Shooting most anything in motion is shooting with unknown results. When you get one like this it’s totally rewarding.</div>
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Wow. That is one of those amazing unexpected moments. This is the stuff I love about photography. The camera can stop this kind of action when the eye cannot. This is the magic stuff that cameras can do. I love the wings in motion while the rest of the feathers and birds face and claws are tack sharp. Shooting most anything in motion is shooting with unknown results. When you get one like this it’s totally rewarding.</div>
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That’s a great story.  It’s being prepared and waiting for something special to happen at any time.  This has so many symbolic suggestions.  Did you stock this picture out?  It even has great copy space.</p>
<p>Carrying a camera with you always is the best preparedness.  Every time you walk out the door you ask yourself, &#8221; What does the light look like?  Where is the sun?  Is my camera set up for the most likely happenstance?&#8221;  Then you can act on opportunities like this, no matter what your subject matter.</p>
<p>Personally I like the white background.  You couldn’t have gotten that any better in a studio or in Photoshop.  It’s such a great moment it hardly looks real.  Great story.  Better than your expectations.</p></div>
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<div>I like to get a good action shot that something captures clarity of subject but also shows motion, action or both. Panning is always one way to try for that and admittedly not always successful but when the pan works with a smooth background movement and the lead and trailing horse provide subject clarity, I consider that a good shot but then add to that the action has all their feet off the ground &#8211; that exceeded my expectations</p>
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This is one of those perfect situations where you take a chance and try to follow the action and there is a lot of risk &#8211; and then BANG &#8211; you got it. This is a great one. There’s so much to look at in this shot. You had good contrasty light to charge up all the silks on the jockeys and define all the muscles on these wet horses. This is a beauty. This is not easy to follow the horses, get a clear point of view, anticipate the shutter speed that will get most sharp and still blur the background into a set of horizontal brush strokes. Then to have all four feet off the ground is pretty cool. I especially like the reaching front legs of the back horse. If this were a painting it would not be half as believable. The fact that you got this with a D800 is impressive. Is this a high ISO image? You hit the moment. This is what I’m talking about.</div>
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First, I appreciate the kinds words. I took a number of panning shots that day and there were a couple others I liked but when I saw this one, I thought it had that Bonus appeal. This was a higher ISO image (3200). It was taken with an 80-200 f2.8 lens. Although older, still pretty darn sharp. As you indicate the shutter speed has to be fast enough to catch the subject as you are moving with it but slow enough to blur the background. I think people do not always give the D800 enough credit for some applications. Granted the continuous fps isn&#8217;t the fastest and You pros would certainly want to have the better tool for the job, But I&#8217;ve had successful shots both anticipating the event while timing the single shot and machine gunning the shutter (if you can call 4 fps machine gunning) Even that is 250 milli seconds per shot. That speed will work in many situations but you do have to work a little harder anticipating the action and capturing the event and sometimes push the equipment. Sometimes it all happens just right and it&#8217;s a good feeling when one (as you say) &#8216;Hits the moment&#8217;.</div>
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Thanks for all the tech data on the shot. The 80 &#8211; 200mm F/2.8 is still one of my favorite lenses. My issue is probably 20 years old and shows the scars, but it still performs and is sharp and gorgeous on faces. You don&#8217;t have to convince me on that one. I wasn&#8217;t disparaging the D800. It is my favorite general camera. It&#8217;s just a slower fps body and has vibration blur issues at times with high speed situations based on the file size. The D800 is still my regular body of choice. 36.3 mp is why. I will work around the fps, and the vibration sensitivity of the machine because I have gotten the best images from this body way back to prototypes I shot long before the camera was released. That is a magic combination. D800 and 80-200mm works. When you say &#8220;You Pros&#8221; would want to have better tools&#8230; I don&#8217;t know what better tools there are. Many non-pros have better gear than most of the pros. Remember that every dime the pros make comes from using that gear, and has to support the mortgage, the insurance, the kids tuition, snow tires and lastly the new gear. If the gear is still cranking it doesn&#8217;t get replaced. We pros may know the nuances of getting the most out of that gear, but my classes and workshops have proven to me that my lenses and bodies are usually not the fairest of them all. But back to hitting that special moment&#8230;<br />
Nice shot, and thanks for all the info. I had a feeling that was the lens.</div>
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<div>My reference to &#8220;You Pros&#8221; was simply to acknowledge that one who shoots action for a living would want a tool with an fps that is probably faster than 4, giving them an advantage of capturing the moment that is going to make them the most money. Not doing this for a living, I&#8217;d like to have cameras that cover everything but when selecting the tools, I need to select the one that gives me great flexibility within the entire photo envelope and I try to make do on the edges. Sometimes It works out and sometimes I&#8217;m hitting the delete button, but solving the problems to capture the moment makes the moment that much better for me. I&#8217;m with you on the mortgage, insurance etc. When the tuition is done, it is like getting a raise.</div>
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<div>Simply put, I&#8217;m getting fairly deep into what I call &#8220;custom portraiture&#8221;. I have no idea what the term should mean. I sit down with a subject whether client or model and simply chat for a wee spell and let the conversation reveal the image to come. Maybe it works, then again maybe not but it&#8217;s really great fun. The influences are many and varied, Ritts, Karsh, Coupon et al.</p>
<p>The first one is of Sonny Del-Rio who is a well known rock n roll sax man in my part of Canada. His onstage kitsch is Hawaiian patterned shirts and red running shoes. I felt it was time to elevate him to elder statesman status.</p>
<p>The second is a young lady I brought in to play with lighting. It turns out she has a penchant for and the look to pull off older style poses.</p>
<p>Crap! I think I used the wrong size settings when I grabbed the links. Sorry about that.</p>
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By &#8220;Custom Portraiture” I assume you mean a non-formula approach to lighting and designing an individual shot around the qualities and characteristics of that person. Many portrait shots are executed with a lighting formula or follow a format and a system of mechanical steps to arrive a a final result.<br />
Maybe what you’e trying to do is tailor the design and feel of the photo to what strikes you as unique to the subject. Am I getting close?</p>
<p>In any case, this is a really nice portrait of Saxophone Sonny Del-Rio. The lighting really highlights the guy with his sax in a classic but still relevant way. This has some of the qualities of the single light Irving Penn portraits. It’s got a lot of very appealing qualities. The rendering of textures and skin tones and the dynamics of the light and dark almost black shadow gives this strength.</p>
<p>The female model has got a cute playful quality, and some of that is the success of the bright key light. The eye contact is connective, but moreover, I think you arrived at a style of shot and controlled capture quality that you don’t get in most of you performance images.</p>
<p>These are really nice &#8211; a big step in exceeding your expectations, especially Sonny with the sax.</p></div>
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<div>Shooting outside with changeable conditions, as opposed to shooting in the studio with controls,</p>
<p>There are two basic approaches to photography. The first is to find images of something appealing in the real world that you can crop into a frame and capture. The second kind of image is the produced image, where you set up, control and construct every part of the image.</p>
<p>1) Discovered shots. 2) Set up shots.</p>
<p>The first kind of photography is found imagery. That’s the kind that I originally set out to do as a photojournalism student and street photographer &#8211; and the kind I enjoy doing on my days off from the studio.</p>
<p>Shooting in natural light or at least available light (whether or not my speed lights are available) is about searching, discovering, developing photographic seeing, finding angles and approaches to subjects that are personally expressive, and gratifying to discover in some way. Shooting nature, landscape, urban, street images all inhabit this category. It’s also documenting a time or place that deems being memorable &#8211; events, concerts, sports.</p>
<p>The second approach to making a photograph is to set things up in front of the camera. Starting with a backdrop of some kind, designing the lighting, adding the subject, props, and every element of the shot. All the components of the photograph are pre-determined or at least controlled by the hand of the photographer. Color, white balance depth of field, focus, timing, directing a subject and any post production effects can be adjusted for the final impact on the image.</p>
<p>That’s most of what I have done for a living for many years.</p>
<p>These are two completely different approaches. Although some overlap does exist, I think we can say the basic fundamentals are different in both cases.</p>
<p>There are also hybrids of the 2 approaches.</p>
<p>There have been times I dressed up a model with studio wardrobe, hair and make-up, then rode around in search of some cool public place for a spontaneous reaction. Shooting weddings also requires studio appreciation for the portrait shots and a journalistic approach to the events of the wedding.</p>
<p>Where do you find yourself in the approach to your shooting? How do you define these different approaches?</p>
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<p>A discovery of Lily having an early morning chat with Knight all ambient light, and shot in Aperture Priority with almost no post processing except for a touch of Shadow Protection in Nikon NX2 to open up the detail in the horse&#8217;s eye.</p>
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<p>A pre-conceived produced image with Lily &#8211; lit, propped and processed with a deliberate layout in mind.</p>
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<p>A hybrid image of Lily running with the addition of a speed light to reveal her face against the setting sun. Not all natural, but a legitimate mix. Gives a sense of place, time, mood, color and depth.</p>
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<p>At the end of the day, waiting for dinner with Lily, I amuse myself by searching for something illuminating. The dinner table candle behind the water glass is a textural, sensory, and tonal play on the look and feel of ice-water. The monochrome mode sets an appropriate mood. This is shot in very low light with a Nikkor 24-70mm F/2.8 lens wide open to allow for a very soft low depth of field.</p></div>
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<p>Shooting with ambient light, mostly. Having a toddler makes set-up photography tough. (Heck, it makes picking up a camera tough!) Granted, I can throw on the speedlight and still &#8220;discover&#8221; a shot rather than plan it out, but those moments are rare and rarely seem &#8220;artistic&#8221; according to my own sensibilities.</p>
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<p>You did it far better than I could. I just try not be defined BY either one of them individually. (You know what I mean. The person whose photography website says that they <strong>only</strong> shoot or prefer to shoot in natural light. I might prefer natural light too, but I better be able to use artificial light well if I&#8217;m going to advertise my skill-set through a website.)</div>
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<div>I&#8217;ve always looked at it in terms of how much control do I have and go from there. In your terms, I find myself in the discovery mode more often than the studio. However, I call it getting the shot of opportunity.The shot that just might not happen again and often does not. One you do not control the subject or the lighting conditions</p>
<p>This originally caught my eye because of the way the water was falling on the kids. I think it was a pleasant surprise when the water came from the other direction (Sunshine only)<br />
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<p>I have on many occasions used the hybrid approach. This woman is a bartender in a club. the tattoo and bare shoulder was interesting. I set the flash on the bar so it would bounce off the ceiling and then called her name. The glance over the shoulder worked for me. (One strobe) This is more taking advantage of the existing situation (one you really do not control) but manipulating the existing light.<br />
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<p>I do sometimes get the time to, as you put it, &#8220;plan&#8221; some in the studio, However, in my case (even if I know what I want) it is more accurately known as &#8220;Trial and Error&#8221;. This was done for our Halloween Card one year. (4 lights and modifiers &#8211; creating images)<br />
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The photographer Dads and Moms can all identify with the terror of a toddler around photo equipment, and the chaos they wreak on your concentration and creativity. At the same time they make for great opportunities and documents of a very short and fleeting time worth capturing. You can always get your gear repaired. My daughter grew up in my downtown NY studio.</p>
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<p>The found or produced distinction is not necessarily about lighting &#8211; studio or available light. I think it’s more about how much you participate in the planning and construction of an idea as opposed to searching with your photo seeing mechanism in gear to find something that already exists. A portrait is a produced shot. You have to direct the subject, choose the background and control the affect of light on the subject, even if you have to say, “Come stand near this window so the light hits the side of your face.”</p>
<p>The found shot can be just as much a search with or without a speed light. The speed light just gives it a style and effect &#8211; filing the shadows of what you have discovered, providing a snap shot look, or an electronic zap to a street image.</p>
<p>This distinction helps the photographer know what the approach, discipline, process will be.</p>
<p>I know the reference to available light, or natural light is semantic at best. I have all kinds of lights available to me. Sometimes the sun is one of them. It feel quite natural shooting with studio lights. I do it everyday. Of course I am being facetious and I know what you mean. Can I say one is discovered and organically unencumbered, untouched or influenced by the hand of the photographer. The second &#8211; the produced shot &#8211; is deliberately constructed whether inside or outside and arranged to fit a concept rather than to be discovered and applied to a concept.</p>
<p>I think whenever you aim a camera at a toddler you are in for some kind of a test. They will either perform for you or run and hide. Even if your deliberately tying to set up a portrait of a toddler, you may end up searching for your reluctant subject.</p></div>
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Opportunity is one way of describing a discovery.</p>
<p>The “found&#8221; stuff is searching or waiting for that opportunity. Some of it is digging and reframing and recomposing until you arrive at the essence of the shot that works for you. But that is all part of the found shot. It is looking for a rare opportunity as you say.</p>
<p>You’re hybrid shot in the bar is a good example of how to set up the opportunity for something to happen. If you’re using flash at an event or speed light outside at night, and your approach is still looking for something special to happen for that good visual opportunity, it’s still “found&#8221; more than produced except that you lit it.</p>
<p>You’re right that we should leave a loose window open even in the strictest studio situation, to allow for something unexpected to happen. Most of my best studio images were accidentally derived &#8211; or at least, within the zone of light and range of possibilities something beyond what I was imagining happened as worked. The dancer jumped higher, the laugh was bigger, the expression was more believable…</p>
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<p>The sword got stuck in the case forcing Devon to yank it a little harder and swing enough for her hair to fly sideways and make a better shot.</p>
<p>Your Zombie Bartender is definitely all concept and production. Although I like the shot, especially the colors together, I won’t be having what he’s having.</p>
<p>Nice to hear from you again.</p></div>
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<div>I don&#8217;t do studio photography, but I see a similar distinction between shooting for a theme and photography that seizes the opportunity. For the FlickrFriday group, for example, there is a weekly theme to be translated into an image. I enjoy the creative process, trying to interpret the theme, and trying to figure out how I can catch that interpretation in a clear image. Here are two examples:</p>
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<p>The theme was &#8216;Gone with the wind&#8217;, and I decided not to go for the movie association, but to show wind blowing.</p>
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<p>For the theme &#8216;Alien&#8217; I took a picture of me with my Zambian &#8216;Aliens registration card&#8217;.<br />
Both photos are conceptual, they existed (more or less) in my mind before I took them.<br />
On other occasions I just take my camera and see what comes along, for instance wildlife in the garden:</p>
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<p>or the expressive faces of my students:</p>
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<p>I would call this type of photography opportunistic rather than conceptual. Now that I think about it, it would perhaps be good to combine both approaches. One aim of my photography (and work) is to show Zambia to the people that support projects here. Maybe I could take &#8216;Zambia&#8217; or &#8216;poverty&#8217; or &#8216;churches in Zambia&#8217; as a theme, interpret it, imagine the shot beforehand and then make it, to get a clearer image of what I&#8217;m trying to convey&#8230;</p></div>
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Yes, shooting a theme is a production. It’s working from a concept. Illustrating a concept, or theme is part of working from a blank slate, and choosing your elements to construct an image, as you have done with the leaves blowing. Sometimes the simple gesture is more powerful than the major motion picture approach. I really like the motion in the leaves and fingertips moving here. It&#8217;s that magic of motion.</p>
<p>“Alien” is pretty witty as well. There are all different kinds of aliens for sure. One of my favorite genres of photography is the street photographers urban alienation images &#8211; Lee Friedlander &#8211; and a hundred others who observe without participating. They are solitary outside observers to the point of defining their own alienation against the rest of the activity surrounding them.</p>
<p>The wildlife in the garden is a found, or discovered image requiring a search process instead of a construction process.</p>
<p>The reason that this distinction is important is that we as photographers need to establish rules or boundaries for what our process will include. Do we shoot what we see and keep it there? Do we ask people to pose? Do we only quietly observe? Do we build everything from the ground up and shoot a concept that is in our head?</p>
<p>Then as you have asked yourself &#8211; Do I try to use the faces of my students and interpret what I see with a message that I am trying to tell my audience?</p>
<p>At that point you are telling a story, being a photojournalist, and communicating a message. This is exactly why I posed this question here. What are the boundaries you define to use your skills. How far do you go to get your message across?</p>
<p>Some of the most renown street images had a little adjustment in them to make the point stronger. We have so many tools at hand now to influence the impact of a shot. Photojournalists are under a strict code of conduct not to alter the content of an image &#8211; not manipulate in any way &#8211; to tell a true story. But when you choose a lens to distort the perspective or telescope in on action it alters the story. Action within the frame does not tell the influences of whats going on outside of the frame. If the bodies on a battle field are shot in B&amp;W does the blood look less real than if the same shot is in color and the red is saturated to be dramatic? Just the act of shooting and framing and capturing a given moment is a different story than the one before if and after it. It is our own attitude and intention that makes our images tell the story we want to tell.</p>
<p>In the studio the same thing happens. If I shoot a model performing in front of the camera, I tend to pick certain subtle gestures and expressions that appear recurrently in my portfolio. I like models fending off danger in a moment of jeopardy &#8211; hands up, hair flying a touch of wildness in their eye. I do that shot habitually over and over. I have to be aware that I am falling back into my habits. Another photographer with a different attitude will capture the same model, with her hands down at her sides, calmly gazing into space. We choose different decisive moments.</p>
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<p>What I asked her to do. What she think of what I asked her to do. The way she normally poses for other people.</p>
<p>This is a book, not a reply. In the process I had a chance to visit your photo stream which I really enjoyed and I suggest anyone else visit too. You are documenting so much of your life in Zambia with a skillful and beautiful approach. I encourage you to join in the discussion here as I begin another season at NDLC. Thanks.</p></div>
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<div>Being proficient at capturing produced and found images is a symbiotic relationship within the skill set of a photographer.</p>
<p>In response to one of your challenges, I took this shot to demonstrate that you could get an image at the fastest flash duration, in this case 1/41,600 sec.<br />
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<p>You can take your studio tools into the field to capture shots like this with gels and multiple speedlights at 1/8000sec.<br />
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<p>One of my favorite ways to hone in found photography skills is in the museum working with available lights and exploring the power of a fast prime. My favorite museum lens is an old 50mm F/1.4 AI from the 1970s. Many photographers use AF to find shots, but it&#8217;s amazing what you can find when restricted to manual only and then taking that thought process when using AF lenses.<br />
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<p>Museum lighting also hones in your skills when trying to achieve a certain look in your everyday images. The power of metering gives a skill set that comes in handy in a fast pace shooting environment.<br />
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<p>So when you are taking your next pet shot, the same principles apply.<br />
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<p>Or using the subtleties of light and shadows in your photojournalistic shots.<br />
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<p>Don&#8217;t forget about playing around with your camera&#8217;s features. Sometimes, very cool shots can be found (or produced) with a change of settings.<br />
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<p>Nikon has some interesting new offerings that are tweaking my next creative directions. For produced images, which could render gallery sized shots, will pair the D810 with the 105mm f/2.8. For wandering about and seeking that elusive as of yet unknown shot, the new D750 (having a tilt screen on an FX is a nice creative tool) and hooking that up with the 85mm f/1.8G.</p></div>
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<div>The shot of Devon and the sword is a wonderful shot. I love the unplanned little things that add the best part of a shot. It&#8217;s like a gift. Your later comment about your &#8216; go to&#8217; gestures in the studio. I can relate as I often find myself drawn to similar compositional framing or element placement within a shot. Great topic.</div>
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<div>As much as possible I would rather have found shots specially &#8216;decisive moment&#8217; ones. These are ones I recently &#8216;found&#8217;:</p>
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<p>This one is in a way a combination of &#8216;found&#8217; and &#8216;produced&#8217; since I know this was going to unfold and used flash to augment the lighting.</p>
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<p>The others were when doing interviews with bounce flash:</p>
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<p>Or shooting weddings using bounce flash &#8216;in situ&#8217; without any backdrop.</p>
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<p>Or none at all:</p>
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<p>For me it is all about reacting to the light, finding the right composition and getting the feel for the tonalities and texture in the scene. With and without flash are options I always explore and more often than not, I try to augment ambient light with or overpower it when possible.</p>
<p>When shooting I am always reminded to think of tonal rendition by Ansel Adams, whimsical subjects by Elliott Erwitt and Garry Winogrand and the everyday object transcendence (&#8216;more than a pepper&#8217;) of Edward Weston.</p></div>
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<div>It&#8217;s sort of like comparing a spontaneous jazz jam session with a perfectly orchestrated classical piece. One produces awe from the spontaneity, and the other from the beauty of the planning and execution.</p>
<p>Some of my photos are lucky finds, but many come from waiting for the right moment to shoot. Maybe a moss covered rock would look cool in the fog, or maybe that lone tree will drop all of it&#8217;s leaves in a perfect circle on a windless day. Sometimes I wait for years after coming up with the concept.</p>
<p>This past week I was hoping that a butterfly would land on one of my sunflowers with some decent light hitting it. Yesterday I got my wish:</p>
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Thanks for submitting these examples. I think your breakdown is right. Hybridding “found” subjects and locations is where we ultimately end up. A bit of control on a radom occurrence whether it be in the field and street, or in the studio. We are looking for that magic moment when something unexpected and inexplicable occurs. It’s when we really discover what being inside the moment is all about.</p>
<p>Shooting apparel in motion for Reebok, I did a bunch of these images. These dancers and athletes were moving faster than I could anticipate, but I knew they would be playing to the camera. We planned to have them play to the camera and be on camera. That provides a deliberate connection with the models. From then &#8211; it’s about what millisecond I can anticipate and capture.</p>
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<p>This hybrid place does require some technical skills and through practice becomes second nature and works in harmony with good instinct.</p>
<p>I understand your comment about older manual focus lenses. I too have been putting an AI 85mm F 1.4 manual lens on my D800. Initially I used it because of the longer “pull” of focus shooting video. Then I was challenged by watching the focus change subtly and slowly shooting faces close up.<br />
There is a control in the choice of focus targets that reveals other focus options slowly. It was a fun experiment. I got some very nice shots. But for 99% of what I do, and with my eye sight, Auto Focus is going to get me there more confidently and sharper.</p>
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Thanks for your comment. We are all subject to repeat the shots we feel are successful. We respond to the same expressions in subjects repeatedly. I was showing a friend who was also a psychologist an image of three gentleman having dinner which I had just completed for a period silverware illustration. He laughed and said they were all my own goofy expressions that I make all the time. When we recognize these repeated habits in our portfolio, that’s when we should ask ourselves, “Do we like this and keep shooting this way?” or “Are we in a rut and need to deliberately change to force ourselves to grow?&#8221;</div>
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<p>Zero &#8211; Nice to hear from you. I think your approach is from the “found imagery” school. You are on a search even at a wedding. The fact that you may fill with a Speedlight is only a technical way to reveal more of what you find. The light is not a conscious subject in the shot. Luckily I think you usually find what you are searching for. When I look at your NYC street images, I think I might be walking right past you &#8211; that other guy staring at the Brooklyn Bridge with a Nikkor 14-24mm.</p></div>
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I like that improvisational jazz vs. orchestrated piece analogy. Not sure it completely fits, but I like the idea of adding a sound track to this discussion.<br />
Thanks for your description of your approach by waiting for the right time, light or fog on a found subject. That is a big valid part of being lucky. What’s the expression? “Luck happens when preparation meets opportunity.” Great texture in that sunflower.</div>
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Thanks for the reply. It is a hard habit to break since I did photojournalism for a university paper when I was in college and eventually became the photo editor as well for 4 years.</p>
<p>So the question is how do you translate this &#8216;found imagery&#8217; approach in the studio? I guess this is done by conveying to the model the concept and creating a background story to anchor to?</p>
<p>Yeah we are lucky to live in a city that never sleeps and everything is always changing and every section dynamic. I do always love walking across the Brooklyn Bridge and maybe one of these days I&#8217;d bump into you! <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f642.png" alt="🙂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p></div>
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It’s not necessary to break that habit. It’s just applying the search to a photo story style using the controls of a constructed environment. I too was the Photo Editor of my college paper with dreams of being a photojournalist. Then ad agencies started calling and they paid a lot better. I can be bought.</p>
<p>The process is to set up a light zone, and construct a set where the action can take place. Light the area where the subject will be. If it’s a shot requiring motion and movement, pull the lights back and make the zone a little bigger and looser. Even if the action is as small as the turn of a head and the bouncing of hair with a fan, this is the way I think of lighting a shot.</p>
<p>This way there is a stage set, the area is lit and the subject can move within a given area so you can shoot pretty loosely and allow good accidents to happen.</p>
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<div>Ahh so thats almost cinematography in that approach creating zones of light. I guess it is all about finding the essence and capturing the moments of nows. This is probably why when there is a great rapport between the photographer and the muse something magical happens. To me this seems more of Audrey Hepburn and Avedon vs found aspect of Jackie and Ron Gallega.</p>
<p>BTW I could not see the video above <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f641.png" alt="🙁" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p></div>
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I just tried the video &#8211; It seemed to work fine although out of frame a bit. Let me try another computer and I will possibly reload it. The video tells the story.</div>
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<div>Zeroneg: Give the video another try&#8230;</p>
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<div>Thanks! I finally saw the video. So you give space to the model and create the moments! So it is still preferable to shoot in a studio rather than in a location or is this mainly dictated by Art Direction and budgets concerns as well as vision?</div>
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Hi Zeroneg &#8211; The concept drives the shot. If the concept is something that’s easier to produce in a studio then it’s a studio shot. It’s often easier to shoot jobs in a studio because that’s where I keep all my gear, sets, props, dressing room, computers… If it’s a location like yesterday, I drag all that stuff to the location and set up camp. The light changeable and whether is a consideration. I got rained out on September 12 and had to reshoot on the 19th. That can be time consuming and expensive. The light is changeable and whether is a consideration. I need a location fee, sometimes a permit, extra crew…</p>
<p>It’s always about the concept. If you have a good idea, you have to be true to the idea and create the shot wherever it best supports the concept.</p>
<p>Sometimes art directors have an idea of a place, a football field or a mansion, something big, and that’s harder to build in the studio. One time I got a job for a lingerie company that required building a complete Caribbean house including bedroom furniture in the studio. It took a couple of days &#8211; everything came up the freight elevator and looked like St. Barths on a sunny day. It was easier and cheaper than sending 10 models, crew and gear to St. Barths and renting a location. Those are the practical considerations that come to play sometimes.</p>
<p>It’s surprising how little you need to pull off a convincing illusion of another place and time. Suggestion is a powerful tool.</p>
<p>And then as you said, you build the zone, and create the moment. You might retry and take the moment 1000 times. That is pretty common. I use a process called shoot and review. Shoot 50 or a hundred, then review picking the 5 best. Define the attributes of the 5 best, then shoot 50 more of just that preference. Continue unto I’m happy.</p></div>
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<div>Ahhh wonderful insight into your world! I guess rapport and trust are important as well since that&#8217;s a collaborative effort from you and the model/s sd well as the MUA, assistants and others. I guess that is where it is easier to work with professional models vs amateurs since the moments come easier?</p>
<p>From the video it looked you were using continuous lights or was that flash packs/monolights with modeling lights?</p></div>
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It is a collaboration with a team. The model, make-up artist, stylist, assistants, digital artists all have to be on the same bus or it doesn’t look like what you wanted it too. Shooting this way does require some managerial skill to continually remind the crew what the intention is. When you have a team of creative people working together it’s very easy to have the shot become a hair shot to the hair dresser, and a make-up shot to the MUA when really you might be trying to make the apparel the hero in the shot.</p>
<p>There is no working with amateur models at that level. They don’t have the chops or the command of their movements to get it right every frame. There is also no protection from liability or usage rights without a proper contract with an agent. I’ve been working on a series of fashion shoots in Miami for about 8 months. The models are all really great. Top professionals, They hardly ever miss a frame, and if we get out of step, they apologize for missing one frame out of 100. They are just that constant. It’s like the dialogue between a choreographer and a dancer.</p>
<p>Lighting in the video. I almost always use studio strobes in my studio work. I prefer Dynalites and almost always use them. (There are some instances where I am shooting fast and need only a little fill light on camera and use a Nikon Speedlight.) Most of what I do has multiple flash heads and the positioning and tuning of the lighting is very crucial to the concept of the shot. The studio strobes have 2 lights in them &#8211; modeling light for reference of where and what it will look like, and the flash tube which goes off at the moment of exposure. The modeling lights are tungsten and the flash is 5100K. The flash is vastly brighter than the modeling lamp and also is a very fast duration providing stopped action and sharpness not attainable with continuous light.</p>
<p>The video frame rate was slow and sometimes missed the flash going off. You can hear the pop and the recycle beep signal which I use to confirm that the flash has gone off and recycled. If I am using 3, 4 or 5 flash heads, the different beep tones will confirm that all of the heads are working. Most of the flash looks like a white bar across the frame because the video camera shutter missed the full blast of flash. You can hear the beeps. It is a very different process and a bit more complicated than most people realize. So much is done digitally and with radio transmitters to trigger the lights and wifi the images to the computer too. Most of the time now I am shooting with a camera tethered to the computer. It’s a very dependable workflow and is fast. Fast is key.</p></div>
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Here is a quick shot of me explaining a lighting diagram. It&#8217;s about collaborating and managing all the details of the shot in mind.</p>
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<div>Ahh thanks for the explanation in the use of flash packs since I feel that the flash contributes a lot as a feedback system to the model to serve as a cue and feel for the flow as opposed to using continuous lighting plus those things do rare freeze motion.</p>
<p>So with the amount of Art Direction and project needs, how much creativity does the photographer have in the input specially if the concept is restrictive? Does this mean getting the money shots and then doing some experimental fun stuff and rely on serendipity or go with the flow and see what evolves. Dancing can be both choreography and improvisation, I guess it is a matter of degrees i which one contributes more in the end.</p>
<p>Also how much has digital changed the way you work? I mean there is not more polaroid backs or instant slide films to check setups but are you shooting more now than when you were shooting with bricks of film?</p></div>
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Yes &#8211; The flash does act as a cue to the models. It is the cue for the next move definitely. FLASH &gt; Next move. That dictates the rhythm as in the video.</p>
<p>Client/photographer creative balance. The photographer has his finger on the button &#8211; ultimate control. When it’s a job, the client is trying to get the shot that will market his product or brand the best. The photographer is trying to fulfill his job and get the coolest shot within those boundaries. The photographer is hired for his particular style usually. The client sees something in a shot that fits the vision for his company. The photographer has an advantage at that point because the photographer knows how to get that shot. At that point the clients tend to recede to their role as observers and watch the monitor as images file in.</p>
<p>Good point about a shoot being part practiced choreography and part improvisation. Very perceptive of you. That is definitely the game. Shoot the safe stuff for the layout and then stretch it out and see where we can take it beyond the layout. It could be finding a different point of view, different lens, lighting or just random action, but usually it’s directing the model to go beyond what the layout dictates, with something that is unexpected and special.</p>
<p>The digital workflow is much better than the Polaroid preview days. Polaroids weren&#8217;t very accurate. We now have instant monitor feedback from the group who monitors the monitors. The whole team can comment in real time about how it looks. We can check highlights and shadow density to ensure a perfectly plotted file, and composition. More importantly we can see the position and attitude of the model, the fit of the clothing and the drape of the fabric. The finished shot comes right up. There may be cosmetic things to fix in post production but those determinations can be made right at the shoot as well. We know how much time and money we need to allot to retouching. In the film days we had to overshoot and hope we got the shot. Now we know when we have it and get on to the next one. Clients are more at ease, and photographers sleep a lot better knowing they have the shot, and don’t have to wait until tomorrow to see the film.</p>
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<div>Ahh wonderful response, thanks! Yeah I wonder about how other photographers shoot with continuous lighting since it lacks the immediate feedback that flash provides.</p>
<p>Since we can see the actual image on the LCD or monitor, does this means that the use of flash meters have stopped? If so even for establishing lighting ratio? Chimping or looking at the monitor is the norm now?</p>
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<div>I would think that this method of shooting with the reliance on the team vs. the photographer, almost eliminates post production, which speeds up the process. it becomes almost a completed product by the time the image to be used is selected. I am in love with the well honed concert that takes place in the video, which no doubt is your normal workflow.</p>
<p>I love this subject, it gets to right where I am living at the moment. As for which method I am using, it became at times a studio like environment, other times photo journalistic .</p>
<p>I do not think I have the image available as a frame of reference, except it is stored in my archives, which I will try to locate and when I do I will come back as post it for you.</p>
<p>The image was created to mimic the look, texture and feel of hot molten lava, and it was produced by shooting a liquid emulsion inside an amber medicine bottle which was back-lighted. In this insistence, it was more photo art than anything else. The point I am making is that a produced image as in a studio can be made anywhere. A studio can be as well equipped as Rob.s New York studio, or a spare room in ones house. It might have a &#8220;set&#8221; as large as a Broadway stage, or as small as a small cocktail table.</p>
<p>I had the opportunity to shoot some professionally, but the vast amount of my photography has been for my own consumption, pleasure and use. In the past year due to health issues I have done little shooting, and when I do break out a camera I stage no lights, often it means shooting daylight photos or with a single strobe. Even so one can gain a unique vision and perspective from a limited role.</p>
<p>I admire the expertise of Rob, and his team shooting in the busy fast paced world of New York shooting Ads for the industry he has there. Rob has a wealth of knowledge and can create from concept to finish using such variables as lighting, and more importantly a whole team of pros who in turn has their own world they influence. To be able to direct so many players to produce one musical concert is no small feat.<br />
We may not have a team, we may not have a studio, or even a single flash, but we can improvise, we can use a coffee table as our stage, or we can use the Grand Canyon, and visit the scene as Ansel Adams did, at various times of the day to get that shot, or to create the moment that we envision.</p></div>
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<div>As much as I would like to shoot inside a studio, I simply don&#8217;t have easy access to one with the size and amenities I really need&#8230;.at my budget level. So my shot planning has probably evolved to a combination of &#8220;found set ups&#8221;.</p>
<p>Here is a CD cover concept which will probably be adopted for the back cover. I intentionally brought the artists to this location where I could carefully set up these seemingly candid shots and still fit within the project specs. I just asked them to kick up the dust as they were walking.</p>
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<p>I do tend, probably because my primary shooting is in ambient concert lighting, to seek out ambient light even for found shots such as this &#8216;I was there&#8217; shot with the female singer and an admirer.</p>
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<p>I can still goof around though with portable lighting. Here we are at an outdoor BBQ party and the theme was, what else? rock stars. I set up 2 speedlights high and far behind and then used an Aurora Firefly modified to act as a beauty dish as the main light to emulate hard stage lighting. The kids had fun with it.</p>
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<p>I suppose one could say that I shoot contrived found situations?</p>
<p>Unless of course I&#8217;m shooting a show where I have to take what I am given.</p>
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You asked about flash meters. I have one sitting there. I used it once about a year ago to see if it still worked and after I changed the battery it still did. I am much more inclined to look at the monitor and check my histogram and info levels in all three RGB channels to see what my light level is. The delicate balance and blending of tones to make a shot totally work is something that the meter doesn’t tell me and the screen does.</p>
<p>I am very likely to use the histogram first. That is pretty safe, and insures that images shot back to back for a catalog or ad usage will be consistent.<br />
The only time I have used a meter lately is to check the even distribution of light when trying to get a background lit evenly. But still I go to the info eye dropper to read the measured light levels in Nikon View NX2. I usually keep the blacks between 4-8, and the highlights below 250 &#8211; 253. I try not to max out the highlights to 255 ever.</p>
<p>As far as shooting to include the compression &#8211; no. I shoot the fullest file I can, the most inclusive amount of zones, so that retouching and post processing has the smoothest transitions and max amount of colors to blend. Then I let the printer make the conversation to CMYK based on their ink, paper, color preferences etc. The most successful color renditions I have had, are from first making a good ink jet soft proof print from my file, and asking the printer to match that print generated by my file. If I can get it really looking good on an ink jet print, the printer can’t deny that it’s not in the file.</p></div>
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<div>Ahh <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f642.png" alt="🙂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Yeah my flash meter also has not seen much work even though I miss using the flat diffuser for doing lighting ratios. Yes histogram does help but for me nothing like actually seeing say a important texture highlight level (Zone VII-VIII) on the desired area of the scene.</p>
<p>So the next question then becomes how do you deal with matching swatches when dealing with fashion work? Is the majority of it done in post or in situ (WB,lighting, filters etc) while making the photograph?</p></div>
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Working with the team does make the shot more complete. The stylist attends to clothes and accessories and watches those details throughout the shooting. The hair dress and make-up artist watch their respective details. The model and the photographer work together to compose, animate and act out the action to create the desired illusion. But still, the camera sees little imperfections, the skin is never as perfect as you would like, the make-up clumps up, the hair flies into the lipstick. The buttons don’t match, the shirt is the wrong sample, the model has a tattoo of her boyfriends fraternity, and the vendor sent two left shoes… There is always something to fix in every shot.</p>
<p>You’re totally correct that a produced image can happen on the kitchen counter or on the basement workbench. The studio is where you find it. I have a pretty well equipped studio. That just means I have been doing this for a long time. Setting up an off camera speed light in the garden to catch a butterfly as they land on your prize sun flower is a produced shot. It doesn’t have to be Hollywood. Thanks for all your input Dr. Strader.</p></div>
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&#8220;Found Set Ups” I like it. The hybrid now has a proper name. I think portraits are all set up &#8211; produced images. You have to come up with the idea, the place, direct the subject, light it, even if it’s augmenting with what you may find existing there. It’s still constructed by you. You are doing the thinking about what goes into it. There is a part of this that is searching for stuff to add from the lights and the location. Pretty wild stuff. Nice to hear from you.</div>
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I handle color balance and color matching at the time of the shoot. If I am shooting studio flash, I know that my white balance is 5100K. The D800 has a Kelvin setting for 5200K. Close enough. I use the X-rite Color Checker Passport in my first or last shot in a series. The model holds the color checker in place and that records the color values. X-rite uses a Light Room plug-in that does a really nice job of identifying the Color Checker Passport and balancing the file to match the profile of the calibrated computer. The computer and the printer need to be calibrated for this to work. Not very expensive to get set up. I use the X-rite i1 Display Pro Calibrator for the computer. Easy and self guided. We usually set that up and recalibrate before each important shoot. Then our digital artist is set up with the same calibrator for the retouching and the proofs are made from that calibrated computer.</p>
<p>You can very simply use a grey card and get it very close with the grey eye dropper in Lightroom or Photoshop too. That will get the white balance correct, but will not profile each separate color the way the Color Checker will.</p>
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<p>Model holding the Color Checker for a calibration frame, at the beginning of a shoot after the lighting is all tuned in and ready to go.</p>
<p>This is a subject for a completely dedicated topic. But this is the color workflow I use at this point at this point.</p></div>
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<div>Ahh thanks for that educational reply. That&#8217;s almost doing &#8216;preflighting&#8217; (checking that everything will print well before sending it off to the printers) to use a Graphic Design word and In some ways that&#8217;s like dealing with a kind of Zone System discipline (calibrations) to make the workflow consistent and predictable so that any errors found/discovered are surely made by the photographer alone and not somewhere along the line in the workflow. Thankfully the film processing errors are no longer in the workflow!</p>
<p>So do you never go light and portable ever in a project? What I mean is doing it the McNally/Strobist way (multiple OCFs) and shooting only with portable flashes? Of course there is less control this way overall.</p>
<p>This whole threads is now reminding me of George Hurrel vs Weegee or even Avedon in the Studio vs Avedon doing &#8216;In The American West&#8217; <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f642.png" alt="🙂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p></div>
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<div>Here is my approach&#8230;</p>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/zeroneg1/" data-rapid_p="509"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.staticflickr.com%2F60%2Fbuddyicons%2F49802655%40N00.jpg%3F1318009433%2349802655%40N00&amp;t=1427486390&amp;sig=Ao9On3ugCR6gI_N34v3nWA--~B" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>Zeroneg1</strong>:<br />
This has become a thread about everything in my digital workflow… which is OK. But I am really here to get everyone else thinking about defining a deliberate digital workflow and creative thought process as they pursue shooting better and better pictures.<br />
My particular workflow is a bit specialized to commercial or editorial, fashion, and catalog photographers who need the immediate proof and protection of knowing they got the shot before moving on to the next one. The clock is ticking and the client is tapping his foot and there is no room for error. Every shot counts. And &#8211; there is plenty of hungry competition. It’s different than leisurely enjoying a personal passion.</p>
<p>There are times when I do want to shoot looser and leave the lighting and timing open for blurs, flares, and random action to make a shot more spontaneous. That’s why it&#8217;s always fun shooting subjects in motion and especially outdoors. I do often shoot with portable lights, speed lights and portable location flash. I shoot a lot of frames and I like to shoot fast. Speed lights are great for the Creative Lighting System solutions to control and accuracy. Other times I need something a lot more robust with really long battery life. It’s fun to shoot with less control and see what happens by instinct and even by accident.</p>
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<p>Speedlight</p>
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<p>Battery powered Flash with receiver.</p>
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<p>Using the sun to create flary back light and filling with contrasty flash.</p>
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<p>Flash head with diffusion over a warm reflector.</p></div>
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The tooth brushes caught in the anticipation of a romantic embrace… Looks like a produced shot for sure. Concepted, composed, constructed and lit carefully.</p>
<p>Then the cotton candy girl looks like a discovered situation with no input or involvement. This is not a portrait. It’s a found moment. Richard Avedon said, &#8220;A portrait is a picture of someone who knows he is being photographed, and what he does with this knowledge is as much a part of the photograph as what he’s wearing or how he looks.” In this case the girl is not aware or participating, so it’s a found image.</p>
<p>Most people gravitate to one pole or the other. What do you prefer? And &#8211; how do the two approaches merge in your shooting style?</p></div>
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Thanks for showing your wonderful images outside the studio. I did a session last weekend with a single flash outdoors:</p>
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<p>One thing however I did not fee restricted by working with a single flash since it worked with the concept. Surely adding more flash would also have worked but that means needing more assistants because placing tripod/lightstands would have necessitated a photo permit.</p>
<p>So I guess for some people being in a studio gives more freedom/control of the workflow vs those needing to work on location or outdoors. I guess the end result is the most important thing in delivering for what is needed.</p></div>
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<p>“…the end result is the most important thing…” Yes. The end result justifies the means. In most cases the end result can be accomplished with various degrees of complexity. Usually the engineering of a fancy fashion or advertising shot can be simplified and done gorilla style. If it’s for myself or editorial, with little budget, there is a way to pull it off and make it work. That may mean there are fewer options, less time to play, smaller gear with batteries instead of generators and big lights… Sometimes compromising the actual optimum camera settings, like leaving the shutter open for a looonnng time can create some very nice effects too. If there isn’t enough light, see what else can be done with higher ISO and slow shutter speed.</p>
<p>As with your guy with Brooklyn Bridge. You could have done with less flash, and more shutter speed and it still would have worked &#8211; looked different but would have been good. Mirrors make good 2nd lights. Bounce the flash into a mirror for a fill light or back light- or just reflectors make good fill lights. I saw some very nice images of a girl with her Harley at sunset, lit with car headlights.</p>
<p>Here’s a new one from the weekend. I used one flash to fill her face while shooting into the sun for backlight and flared highlights. It was a warm time of day but I raised the white balance a little more to give it even more yellow. One portable light. I needed more diffusion on the flash and found a white plastic bag to put over it. No filters. One D800, one lens. One CF card. That’s pretty small scale. Small scale acting comp.</p>
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Oh Yes I agree there are things I could have done differently. The concept however dictated that he be in the &#8216;light&#8217; and everything else in darkness or in shade. He is the &#8216;Rock&#8217;N Imam&#8217; who sings in a rock and roll band which was controversial to say the least. I had to underexpose the background by 2.5 stops and light him with flash. It wasn&#8217;t a straight portrait since it needed the light and dark concept to work.</p>
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<p>Dragging the shutter would have resulted in a brighter background BUT thanks for the mirror/reflector tip I shall try that next time!</p>
<p>Yes as you said if there were more resources for this shot it would have been different, I would have had a permit, closed off a section of the street, get a million dollar insurance and treat it more like a studio/set and setup flashes on lightstand.</p>
<p>Sometimes it is not easy to decide between the controlled possibilities of the studio and the openness of being on location.</p></div>
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<div>I would like to be in the same zone as you guys but fined most of the time<br />
I go for the lucky pot shot.</p>
<p>I have started building up kit. I now have an sb700,soft box, umberella defuser and small reflector. I have done some outside setup shots and now include fill flash in some of my shots.</p>
<p>I am not a photographer in my line of work but not sure if I developed it I would lose the love of it. Would also love to do a course but as I have no defined style. Which one. Not a question just a muse.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading.</p></div>
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<div>As <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/rvpimages/" data-rapid_p="584"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.staticflickr.com%2F4041%2Fbuddyicons%2F51002891%40N02.jpg%3F1276133926%2351002891%40N02&amp;t=1427486390&amp;sig=.8RfjI5CclaSgykv_vtWog--~B" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>Rob Van Petten</strong> topic here shows, this is about discovery of making the images either FOUND or PRODUCED or something in between. Having the equipment helps minimizes surprises but having the lack of it forces you to be creative as well. They key is having the concept in mind and pursuing that concept and making it work with the available tools you have at hand.<br />
The other side that most people do not talk about enough is rapport with your subject which is the most important aspect of shooting people. This might not amount much for Street Photography (Winogrand or Weegee style) but is important in commercial,fashion,event,editorial and lifestyle shooting. It is the instrument where both of you work together towards a common goal. Style will come later once you have the cohesive vision like <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/rvpimages/" data-rapid_p="585"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.staticflickr.com%2F4041%2Fbuddyicons%2F51002891%40N02.jpg%3F1276133926%2351002891%40N02&amp;t=1427486390&amp;sig=.8RfjI5CclaSgykv_vtWog--~B" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>does.</strong></div>
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<div>I never went to collage and only picked up the hobby a few years ago.</p>
<p>I do like it when i get shots like this where the lighting was all from the window and no setup<br />
<a title="Minnie in trouble by John, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/comeintofocus/15418564592o" data-rapid_p="596"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3930%2F15418564592_21dcb45e48_n.jpg&amp;t=1427486390&amp;sig=TirkTZWPx_u7lpS0CTYmhA--~B" alt="Minnie in trouble" width="320" height="212" /></a></p>
<p>Or just a hap hazard shot<br />
<a title="The fledgling by John, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/comeintofocus/8988761134" data-rapid_p="597"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3778%2F8988761134_c1960c96e2_n.jpg&amp;t=1427486390&amp;sig=hZdHelAlzFs3Dns5Z4aKJw--~B" alt="The fledgling" width="320" height="213" /></a></p>
<p>I did recently try and do a shoot for a friend daughter. She had made a dress for collage and needed pictures.<br />
As i had no experience at all with this i read a lot of magazines and went online for idea&#8217;s and setup.<br />
I agree a rapport with all aspects of a shoot are vital for the shot. My shoot was a prime example of no rapport to start with.<br />
I had arrange for the Model to have makeup done but the Model was addiment she did her own<br />
only to turn up that day with no makeup on. Fortunately my daughter was there.<br />
I had someone set up the props and with mind on other things I realized after two shots he had faced it all into the sun which was the opposite of what i wanted.<br />
<a title="DSC_3844 by John, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/comeintofocus/14427310695" data-rapid_p="598"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3909%2F14427310695_4f5e565b60_n.jpg&amp;t=1427486390&amp;sig=_Tm5dfR.lSIMvfwAKRsiyQ--~B" alt="DSC_3844" width="213" height="320" /></a></p>
<p>with everything setup I started to get at least some close to good.<br />
<a title="DSC_3921_01 by John, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/comeintofocus/14549232743" data-rapid_p="599"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5494%2F14549232743_fa90e63bf8_n.jpg&amp;t=1427486390&amp;sig=5ylyQBaRHvNdQwsOJzV5kQ--~B" alt="DSC_3921_01" width="320" height="213" /></a></p>
<p><a title="DSC_3916 by John, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/comeintofocus/14286413997" data-rapid_p="600"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2936%2F14286413997_6d0363a1a9_n.jpg&amp;t=1427486390&amp;sig=aZAbU1YUgWX17IDA04Rh9A--~B" alt="DSC_3916" width="213" height="320" /></a></p>
<p>I know they are not fantastic but for a first time i was happy.</p>
<p>The dog and plane shot i would imagine are found images and the shoot a hybrid as there were a lot of random factors coming into play.</p>
<p>The only thing i have with regards to produced is this one as i don&#8217;t have a studio.<br />
This was shot in my kitchen table on a glass chess set in pitch black. The illumination was the light on my led key ring shone down a rolled up £20 note as a snoot to painted onto the scene.<br />
<a title="HP Sauce by John, on Flickr" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/comeintofocus/10105428155" data-rapid_p="601"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2831%2F10105428155_c82ddb8ca5_n.jpg&amp;t=1427486390&amp;sig=5j00iXNu.5zgJwsHNIQw4A--~B" alt="HP Sauce" width="320" height="207" /></a></p>
<p>I apologies if my spelling and grammar are bad. I am dyslexic</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say I have a favorite as the amount of work that goes into all of them makes them all interesting and satisfying to achieve.<br />
Even the found images don&#8217;t just jump out at you. You have to know your camera settings and that itself takes a good degree of work.</p></div>
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Going for the lucky shot is part of the search for found images. Being lucky is part good planning, preparation and persistence. Hard work. The approach is still looking for the opportunity.</p>
<p>These set up shots you have done, are a different approach. You are designing the opportunity instead of hunting for it.</p>
<p>Taking a course, is a great idea. That’s one of the ways to expand your vision, be exposed to a variety of styles and dabble enough to see what path appeals to you. I think you have to try all these different kinds of shot styles to know what fits for you. Finding a style is not key to progress and learning. Style comes with experience. A style will find you while you are learning to shoot, becoming second nature with your camera, watching and looking at other peoples images. I think I shot every type of photographic style there is from food to landscape, medical procedures and fashion.<br />
My favorite organic search is street shooting which I still do on my day off. I find shooting fashion and beauty challenging creatively and from a managerial point of view and that is most of my professional work. These styles found me when I was out shooting pictures. I lay all the prints out on the bed and said, This makes me happy and this one doesn’t. That’s how a style evolves. Slowly and deliberately for me over many years.</p>
<p>As for gear, there is a saying I read recently again.</p>
<p>An amateur photographer thinks about his gear.<br />
A professional photographer thinks about his lighting.<br />
A master photographer thinks about his concept.</p>
<p>There’s some truth to this over simplification.</p>
<p>I think of going through this early period when I was concerned about what camera I had, or what lens and how many lenses and having every possible item available.</p>
<p>Then I began to develop skill at lighting and learned to create a variety of moods by seeing and understanding lighting,</p>
<p>Then it was all about the good shots created by illustrating a strong concept. Only as good as the idea.</p>
<p>That may be a good way to think of the major points in the path.</p>
<p>It’s all about learning something new. That’s what you seem to be enjoying.</p></div>
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<div>Thanks for your insightful response as ever Rob.</p>
<p>Think i will be searching for a long time as its such fun.:-)</p></div>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/comeintofocus/" data-rapid_p="633"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5321%2Fbuddyicons%2F73157019%40N02.jpg%3F1370369990%2373157019%40N02&amp;t=1427486390&amp;sig=J6CmUCBSfJDGmvnp9l9kYQ--~B" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>0bender0</strong>:<br />
It gets better and better. The more I learn the more I have to learn. But the more satisfying the pictures become.</p>
<p>Thanks for joining the discussion. RVP</p></div>
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<div><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/rvpimages/" data-rapid_p="644"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.staticflickr.com%2F4041%2Fbuddyicons%2F51002891%40N02.jpg%3F1276133926%2351002891%40N02&amp;t=1427486390&amp;sig=.8RfjI5CclaSgykv_vtWog--~B" alt="" width="24" height="24" border="0" /></a> <strong>Rob Van Petten</strong>:<br />
Gee, I loved watching Devon at work, even though I felt a bit badly for her having to endure the mister, and if a wet face and hair was not enough getting a case of whip lash. Bravo Devon, and I promise if you ever do a shoot with me I will not ask you to get a case of whiplash. <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f642.png" alt="🙂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></div>
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Devon is a very dedicated performer. She works that hard for every shot and never complains. In fact I think she enjoys putting the extreme effort into a shot if it’s working. She is a student of martial arts and weaponry as well as make-up, hair and working a camera better than most. So I don’t remember her getting any real whiplash as a result of that shoot. She once brought me a layout of a ninja girl shooting fire arrows around the set and was ready to light up and shoot.<br />
We haven’t quite gotten to that one yet. But nothing would intimidate her.</div>
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